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Post by David H Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:56 pm

Interactions between Police and Media happen on many levels:

WIRE wrote:A St. Louis County police officer, who was seen pushing a CNN anchor during protests in Ferguson, Mo., this week, was suspended from duty after a controversial video surfaced, in which he fashions himself as a merciless killer.

“I personally believe in Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, but I’m also a killer,” said officer Dan Page, a 35-year veteran, in the video. “I’ve killed a lot. And if I need to, I’ll kill a whole bunch more. If you don’t want to get killed, don’t show up in front of me. I have no problems with it. God did not raise me to be a coward." Page added, “I’m into diversity — I kill everybody. I don’t care."

St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said Page has been suspended, pending a review by the internal affairs unit, which will begin Monday. The video was brought to Belmar’s attention by CNN's Don Lemon.

“With the comments on killing, that was obviously something that deeply disturbed me immediately,” Belmar told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

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Post by Eldorion Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:39 pm

Orwell wrote:
halfwise wrote:I think what's feeding the outrage isn't the details of this particular incident so much as the long standing animosity in this community between police and the black community, as exemplified by how the police are reacting to the media.

The key word here is "Media". It appears they went early with something like "Police shoot un-armed black man clearly innocent of all sin while poor butter-wouldn't-melt-in-his-mouth martyr tries to surrender in all peace."  I despise the Media. Note also short phrase "Police shoot". The whole Missouri Police Force? Of course it was! No wonder African Americans and Left-leaning Liberal-Socialsts are rightfully outraged!

There is a centuries-long history of institutionalized racism and state-supported violence against black people that causes people to not give the benefit of a doubt to the police. It's way bigger than just drama-hungry news media.
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Post by David H Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:44 pm

Eldorion wrote:

There is a centuries-long history of institutionalized racism and state-supported violence against black people that causes people to not give the benefit of a doubt to the police.  It's way bigger than just drama-hungry news media.

Indeed, but I do think that's changing faster than at any time since the civil rights movement of the 60's.

Orwell wrote: The whole Missouri Police Force? Of course it was! No wonder African Americans and Left-leaning Liberal-Socialsts are rightfully outraged!

I think that's exactly what Officer Page was referring to as diversity when he said, “I’m into diversity — I kill everybody. I don’t care." He means he kills African Americans AND Left-leaning Liberal-Socialists [aka Yankees] equally. You can't get any fairer than that! Smile

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Post by Orwell Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:48 am

You have always been the voice of reason here, David H.  Very Happy 

Eldo said: There is a centuries-long history of institutionalized racism and state-supported violence against black people that causes people to not give the benefit of a doubt to the police. It's way bigger than just drama-hungry news media.

There are always Sociological viewpoints, Eldo, left, Right, Middle, Extreme - you agree or disagree with whatever one is thrown up -- but if you don't see it as a practical down-to-earth thing to do - I mean, throwing out Sociological viewpoints as some sort of ultimate truth - you must look at and review each individual event on it's merits. That's what the Investigators must do.

Indvidiuals do individual things - not all Whites hate Blacks as a matter of course. Not all Blacks hate Whites. All we hear of is Minorities (White and Black) protesting from their Sociological viewpoint. Minority thinking causes all sorts of problems, rousing the Maddening Crowd (Black or White) to violence even - but Critical Thinking and an address of the Facts as they relate to Individuals and what they do is the only hope we ever have of discoveing honest non-Political answers. That is: let's leave it to due process and a proper assessment and investigation of the facts - leave the Politics to the Politicians.

The White killed the Black. Why? Was it because he's done a Right Wing University Course on Hating Blacks. And the Black maybe Hates Whites as a matter of course. Or perhaps a troubled thug hated Cops (Black and White?) We don't know where the White Cop stands on the issue. I only guess the thug was athug from the store footage. He might have been a troubled thug deserving sympathy, yes, but a thug (apparently) none the less. (There are White thugs too, btw, possibly 'troubled' thugs at that, and thuggery is Colour inclusive).

Enough with Sociology. All this theorizing about the Social as against the Particular when we know so little of the Particular - and that little we know Media-tainted anyway. Let the Courts work it out. This event needs to be Humanized at the 'event' level -- not the events that eventuated from the event where everyone has a marvelous theory of their own, but the event itself. That's where the only measurable truth will be located. Let's wait and see actual evidence. Here to help!  Very Happy

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Post by halfwise Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:43 am

Rolling Eyes Only in America would this even be allowed to happen.

Girl, 9, kills Arizona shooting instructor with Uzi in accident
By Brad Poole


TUCSON Ariz. (Reuters) - A 9-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed her shooting instructor at an Arizona range with an Israeli-made Uzi submachine gun when the weapon's strong recoil caused her to lose control of her aim, police said on Tuesday.

They said that Charles Vacca, 39, had been standing next to the girl at the Last Stop shooting range in White Hills near the Nevada border on Monday morning showing her how to fire the automatic weapon.

When she pulled the trigger, the recoil forced her aim over her head, and Vacca was shot in the head, according to a Mohave County Sheriff’s Office statement.

Vacca was airlifted to nearby Las Vegas, where he was pronounced dead. A spokesman for the sheriff’s department did not know how many times Vacca was shot or what model of Uzi the girl was firing.

Some Uzi models are capable of firing up to 1,700 rounds per minute, or almost 30 rounds per second, according to the manufacturer’s website.

The girl, whom police did not identify, was at the outdoor range with her parents.

Last Stop, which includes a restaurant, bar and RV park, has a “Burgers and Bullets” program that offers customers lunch with a trip to the range, where they can choose from among more than 20 automatic weapons to shoot, according to its website.

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Post by Forest Shepherd Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:50 am

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Perhaps the shooting was from the helicopter!

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Post by David H Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:38 am

I don't know if it's still there, but in Riga, Latvia there used to be a youth hostel near the wall of the old city that let you rent soviet era AK47's and other firearms and blast away on the old Soviet armory range. Because what else were they gonna do with that stuff when the Russians pulled out? Probably not Uzi's though...

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Post by halfwise Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:40 pm

Put one of the highest powered weapons in the hands of a 9-year-old. What could possibly go wrong? Rolling Eyes

Forest, I wouldn't be surprised if one of those helicopters hasn't been shot down by now...

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Post by Mrs Figg Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:11 pm

I may sign up to that firing range I will ask Abu Bakr to give me lessons.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:56 pm

Why would you give such a powerful weapon to a 9 year old child outside of a war zone and desperate need?
Now some poor bugger is dead, some poor family are grieving needlessly, and a little girl now faces a life time of living with the guilt of killing someone by uzi, something she should never have been allowed to do in the first place if anyone involved, from law makers to her own parents had two brain cells to rub together. This sort of tragedy that leaves nothing but pain because of nothing more than outright bloody stupidity really makes my blood boil.

Terrorists- religious zealots who teach children to use arms.

Americans- religious zealots who teach children to use arms.

What's the difference between you lot again? scratch

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Birmingham police beating video: Five days after the January 2008 beating, Anthony Warren's booking mug.

Police Chief A.C. Roper called the video "shameful." Mayor Larry Langford said it was "disgusting."
After an internal investigation into the five officers shown in the video ended Monday, Langford and Roper are scheduled to announce disciplinary action this morning against those officers.

"Police brutality changed Birmingham," Langford said in an interview. "We are not going back."

Langford noted that Warren was "knocked out cold before they even got there. ... We are not going to tolerate that."

Roper said the video shamed the Police Department and the citizens served by the department.

"It was also troubling because these are seasoned, veteran officers," Roper said.

Roper said Tuesday there will be additional disciplinary action against supervisors who failed to report the incident to higher-ups. He has demanded the Internal Affairs Division track down every supervisor who saw the videotape, including those who have since retired.

The chief has also called in the Alabama Bureau of Investigation to probe possible criminal charges against the officers involved in the incident.

Four of the five officers worked in the department's Vice and Narcotics Unit. The other was a North Precinct patrolman.

The 22-minute chase on Jan. 23, 2008, involved nine police cars, and included officers from Birmingham, Hoover and the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department.

It began near the downtown Police Department, when a North Precinct officer tried to question Warren about suspicious behavior.

The video, taken from inside a Birmingham Police patrol car, follows the chase from downtown Birmingham on Interstate 59 to Trussville, down I-459 to Hoover and around the Riverchase Galleria, where on U.S. 31 the Ford van driven by Warren struck and injured a Hoover police officer on foot.

Throughout the chase, the video shows Warren weaving through heavy traffic, cutting off motorists and crossing multiple lanes at speeds Langford said exceeded 100 mph.

The chase ended on a ramp back onto I-459 when a police cruiser nudged the van, causing it to flip.

Warren, 38, was thrown out of the driver's side window, landing face down and apparently unconscious.

Officers converged on him, beating him even though he never moved. On the video, Warren makes no defensive moves as he is beaten with billy clubs, punched and kicked.

The beating on the video lasted 12 seconds before officers stepped back and the camera was turned off.

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Post by Mrs Figg Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:25 pm

this behaviour doesnt come from nowhere. frustration and anger builds up and explodes. People in stressful jobs having to deal with violent idiots every minute of the day must boil over, specially if the idiots are putting peoples lives at risk. People have always been beaten up by the police only nowadays its on video. Violence isnt acceptable but I kind of understand why it happens.
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Post by chris63 Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:36 pm

Agree, but let him wake up first else he don't feel it.

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Post by David H Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:46 pm

I think the cameras have been extraordinarily valuable. They've helped to defend the officers who are legitimately defending themselves and the public from false accusations, while at the same time helping to weed out the bullies. There are times in the old days when I would have given anything to have been on camera as I was being pushed up against a wall.

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Post by David H Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:38 pm

I like to think of it this way:

Every assault weapon and armoured personnel carrier sent to Israel is an assault weapon and armoured personnel carrier not sent to a Missouri police department. Nod

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Post by bungobaggins Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:46 pm

http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/534/a-not-so-simple-majority

Listen to this. My blood is boiling.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:18 pm

Foreign aid is a weird one. The UK gives an awful lot to India to help with their poverty, whilst the Indian government spends a fortune on having a space program.
Im all for wealthier countries giving aid to poorer ones, we should. But you have to wonder sometimes at the choices.

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Post by bungobaggins Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:21 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/texas-ebola-patients-contacts-now-reach-100/story?id=25912405

The circle of people who have come into contact with Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan is rapidly expanding, jumping from 18 to 80 early today and then leaping to 100, according to Texas health officials.

"Out of an abundance of caution, we're starting with this very wide net, including people who have had even brief encounters with the patient or the patient's home," Texas Department of State Health Services spokesperson Carrie Wilson said in a statement. "The number will drop as we focus in on those whose contact may represent a potential risk of infection."

Duncan, a Liberian man who is the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, is being treated in an isolation unit at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas after being brought to the hospital by ambulance earlier this week.

Medical authorities initially said that they were interviewing and monitoring 12 to 18 people, including five children, who had been in contact with Duncan since he arrived Sept. 19. But today that number jumped dramatically, though officials expect tracing protocols to eliminate many.

Thompson said four or five members of Duncan's family are under a "control order" to stay inside their homes.

It's not clear if these four or five people under the control order are the five school age children who were told to stay home from school.

Dr. David Lakey, Texas health commissioner, talked addressed the control order.

"We have tried and true protocols to protect the public and stop the spread of this disease," Lakey said in the statement. "This order gives us the ability to monitor the situation in the most meticulous way."

Authorities say the family members do not currently have symptoms of Ebola, which include fever above 100.5 degrees, headache, nausea, diarrhea or abdominal pain. The order will continue until at least Oct. 19.

Thompson said he was aware of news reports that Duncan had been vomiting before being admitted to the hospital, but said he was not concerned about the vomiting.

Duncan flew from Liberia to Brussels on Sept. 19. He continued to Washington’s Dulles Airport, before flying to the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport on a United Airlines flight.

Authorities with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have said airline passengers and flight crew members aren’t at risk for Ebola because Duncan wasn’t exhibiting symptoms until days later, but his diagnosis has left residents in Dallas on edge, with scrutiny for Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, which allowed the man to leave after he told a nurse he had come from West Africa.

Duncan returned to the hospital by ambulance two days later. He remains in an isolation unit, listed in serious condition.

Mark Lester, the executive vice president of Texas Health Resources, said a communication issue was responsible for the lapse.

“Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full team,” Lester said.

Five children who members of Duncan's family have also been told to stay home

Authorities also scrubbed down area schools , trying to contain the disease’s spread.

Duncan spoke on the phone Wednesday with family members who live near Charlotte, N.C.

“We talked today (with Duncan) and we prayed together with his mother and sister here,” said Joe Weeks, who lives with Duncan's sister Mai.

Weeks said that the family is concerned that Duncan was admitted to the hospital and put in isolation on Sunday, but hasn't received the experimental Ebola drugs.

“I don’t understand why he is not getting the Zmapp,” Weeks said.

The manufacturer of the drug has said they have run out of the experimental medicine.

Duncan's former boss in Monrovia, Liberia, said the patient had been his driver for the last year or two until he abruptly left his job in early September.

"I really don’t know," why he left, Henry Brunson, general manager of Safeway Cargo, told ABC News. "He didn’t resign. He just left the office. He just walked away.”

Brunson didn't know where Duncan went until he saw him on the news as the Ebola patient in Dallas, Texas.

Duncan's identity emerged as Texas health officials outlined efforts to track and monitor the people Duncan was in contact with since becoming sick over the weekend.

Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention, said Wednesday there is a seven-person team in Dallas working with the local health department and the hospital to identify people who came into contact with Duncan.

Three ambulance crew members who brought Duncan to the hospital were also tested for Ebola. The tests were negative, but the crew members were sent home and will be monitored for the next three weeks, the city said in a statement.

Frieden has said he believes the disease will be “stopped in its tracks” in this country.

Although American Ebola patients have been treated in the United States prior to this diagnosis, they all contracted Ebola in West Africa. Ebola has killed more than 3,300 people, with nearly 7,200 cases reported since the outbreak began in March.

Okay so this guy goes to Libera, comes in contact with a pregnant woman who has the disease and drives her to the hospital. He then thinks is a good idea to come back to the USA?!?! Then he experiences symptoms and goes to the hospital who then sends him home?!?! And now the number of people he has come in contact with is expanding.

I remember the other day people on the internet were saying, "Oh, this is America with the best health system in the world; we've got it under control. Let's not worry, let's go on Twitter and replace words in movie titles with Ebola! LOL because getting attention on social media is what's really important in life!" Well they obviously don't have it under any sort of fucking control if they let the guy leave after he told them he had been to West Africa and he was experiencing symptoms! This man was incredibly selfish and these hospital employees are daft as fuck!

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wow this is freaking scary shit! No
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Post by bungobaggins Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:54 am

Getting there.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:57 am

Good stuff America- you are getting there.
From stuff I was reading earlier it seems American public opinion on this is way ahead of its legislatures.

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Post by Forest Shepherd Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:19 pm

And good thing too! The public's opinion may go wherever it likes, but let the laws change slowly.

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Just in general I mean, not respective to this issue!

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:29 pm

I subscribe to the belief laws should be hard to make but easy to remove.
That way you get less chance of poorly legislated knee jerk reactionary laws (Patriot Act and its UK equivalents, looking at you here!) and laws that can clearly be seen to not being working effectively or meeting their purpose can be gotten rid of.

I dont know how it is in the US but every new government here seems to make a whole bunch of new laws when they get in power and never bother looking at the old ones- so you just ed up, Parliament upon Parliament with more and more never ending laws.
It will eventually get to the point where you cant leave your front door in the morning without breaking at least three laws. Mad

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Post by Eldorion Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:25 pm

The Constitution was actually designed to try to make lawmaking a slow and difficult process, but politicians have found or created various shortcuts over the centuries, including sometimes not reading the whole law before voting on it because they can run into the hundreds of pages.
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