Re: Will the extended edition make AUJ flow better?

by Norc Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:12 am

i knoooow what we can expect from the EE!!!!!! Very Happy

i read an article in empire. . it's depressing... let the crabbit flow.

*copying by hand from the fucking magazine*

July issue EMPIRE wrote:

AN EXTENDED JOURNEY
WHAT CAN WE WXPECT FROM THE LENGTHIER VERSION OF AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY?

"you are going to get some serious dwarfish disrespect of the elves at Rivendell," announces Peter Jackson.
"You are going to get more of Hobbiton," says Philippa Boyens. "We always wanted to wend our way through Hobbiton, but in the end Biblo has to run out of his door."
"you are going to get more Goblin Town, and the Great Goblin singing his song," says Fran Walsh. "it is a great song, but it was just another delay in terms of moving that story along." "A number.one hit from the Goblin King," laughs Peter Jackson. "Barry Hmphries is gong to rise up the charts.
These are just some of the highlights of the now traditional Middle-earth extended treatment currently being lavished upon An Unexpected Journey, and due for release on DVD and Blu-ray roughly a month before the sequel hits cinemas. Indeed jackson now actively edits with these expanded editions in mind, deliberately leaving things out of the theatrical cuts that people don't need to worry about for that particular film,, and yet knowing they will see the light in his more elaborate, detailed versions - the ones fans take as canon.
"We are putting thins in the extended cut that are going to play straight into the second film," Jackson explains, "like this character Girion, who is defending (the city of) Dale using black arrows against Smaug. And the black arrows play a part in the ongoing story, for they are the one thing that can pierce the dragon's hide." This will now be seen in an extended prologue, with Girion's badly aimed black arrows bouncing off Smaug's scales rather than puncturing his underbelly. "There are also issues with Thranduil," adds Jackson. "We get some of the reasons why he and the dwarves had a falling to - to do with these white gems..." We will learn, from the elves' perspective, why they didn't coe to the dwarves' aid."
"it is unique," concludes the director on having his story operate on two levels. "Not many other movies have this facility."

by Eldorion Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:50 am

Lots of big EE news on TORn tonight. Most importantly: a release date of November 5.

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2013/07/31/76235-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey-extended-edition-release-dates-content-pricing-announced/

Will the extended edition make AUJ flow better? - Page 8 UPudlfn

Will the extended edition make AUJ flow better? - Page 8 UPudlfn

Other tidbits from that article:

The extended cut is only ~13 minutes longer
Bonus features include "The Appendices", presumably in the model of LOTR-EE
There is a Jackson/Boyens commentary track, as in LOTR, but apparently nothing from the rest of the crew
The cover art sucks compared to the LOTR-EEs
The EE will be available in DVD/Blu-ray/Blu-ray 3D/Ultraviolet
TORn is not ruling out the possibility of retailer-specific versions of the film (which already happened with AUJ-TE)

by Eldorion Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:03 am

Also, Yahoo has a clip from the EE up on their website.

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/the-hobbit--an-unexpected-journey-deleted-scene--exclusive--065952595.html

I actually rather enjoyed this little scene, until I realized that as one of the only thirteen minutes this clip represents almost 8% of the EE material. Then again, the last thing AUJ needs is more bloat, so maybe this is for the best. In my ideal world they would have cut a bunch of stuff out from the original cut and replaced it with Bilbo material like the clip above. Nod

by Norc Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:12 am

yeah.. agree on your points Eldo. i loved the crew comentary on lotr and this cover art does suck, although i am not buying any EEs until i get a box set with all three movies.

by Mrs Figg Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:04 pm

excuse my ignorance but WHAT THE FUCK IS 13 MINUTES GOING TO DO???? this is absolutely the last straw. people are being expected to shell out all this cash for 13 FUCKING MINUTES.
I despair I really do. Banghead

how CAN they justify this? 13 minutes is nothing, its not going to change anything. LOTR had a decent amount, I think it was roughly 30 minutes per film, which is reasonable, but this is taking the piss. Jackson is officially taking the piss.

by Norc Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:09 pm

well.. i am not spending any extra money on the hobbit except for premiers. i a buying the dvds in four years.. approximately.

by David H Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:57 pm

As an optimist, I'm hoping that the 13 minutes represents PJ taking out 30 minutes of mediocre CGI and replacing it with 43 minutes of decent content.
( Well I can dream, can't I? Shrugging

)

by azriel Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:53 pm

Sorry David, but I think it IS a dream, but a good dream non the less Nod

PJ taking out 30 mins of crap would mean he'd have to admit that those 30mins WERE crap ! & I cant see his vanity doing THAT . As he said, he wants MORE of ME not less, so, 30 mins of crap will be left in !

by David H Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:41 pm

OK I'm awake now. Crap it's to be. Still, I'm sure that there are hours worth of crap that are still sitting on the shelves unused, and I'm not convinced that the crap that made it into the theatrical edit was necessarily the best of the crap. I still think it's possible PJ will lose 30 minutes of the old crap and give us 43 minutes of fresh crap. :facepalm:

(Is that setting the bar low enough?)

by azriel Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:55 pm

What a glowing recommendation that is Razz

Buckets & buckets of crap ! How to categorise this abundance of natural fertilliser ?
upper muckmold, lower muckmold, long bottom shat, prancing pony poo, green dragon dump ? Dimholt dung, Eastfarthing excrement

by Eldorion Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:25 pm

David H wrote:As an optimist, I'm hoping that the 13 minutes represents PJ taking out 30 minutes of mediocre CGI and replacing it with 43 minutes of decent content.
( Well I can dream, can't I? )

https://youtu.be/pC-unS5Yhvw?t=35s

by Eldorion Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:28 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:excuse my ignorance but WHAT THE FUCK IS 13 MINUTES GOING TO DO???? this is absolutely the last straw. people are being expected to shell out all this cash for 13 FUCKING MINUTES.

Well, I didn't buy the theatrical edition at all, so I'm not necessarily spending much more than I would have, but yeah it is kind of disappointing. Although I've got to be honest, I do really like the Bilbo/Elrond scene that was posted by Yahoo. I just wish there was more material like that coming.

I despair I really do. how CAN they justify this? 13 minutes is nothing, its not going to change anything. LOTR had a decent amount, I think it was roughly 30 minutes per film, which is reasonable, but this is taking the piss. Jackson is officially taking the piss.

FOTR was about 30 minutes, TTT about 40 minutes, and ROTK more than 50 minutes of additional material. Then again, AUJ is already an extended version of sorts given the three-film split very late in the game chopped off the last act, so they had to expand what they already had. I think it's safe to assume the EE won't be as good as the LOTR ones (which I think we all knew already Razz

) but hopefully it'll be an improvement in at least some ways. Hopefully....

by Eldorion Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:29 pm

Also, am I the only one excited for The Appendices? The LOTR-EE documentaries remain (probably) the greatest DVD special features ever released and if The Hobbit ones are even half as good they'll provide plenty of entertaining footage to watch. I think we all liked the production diaries and these should be way more in depth. Smile

by Ringdrotten Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:37 pm

I absolutely loved the LotR EE documentaries too, but then again, I also loved the LotR films Wink

I'll definitely buy the EE, though, and I do look forward to the appendices, it's just that I can't seem to get excited over them or get my hopes up, sadly Sad

by CC12 35 Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:39 pm

i liked Lotr

by Eldorion Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:45 pm

I can see where you're coming from, Ringo. Smile

I think that I enjoyed The Hobbit production diaries at least as much as I enjoyed the finished film though, so I'm pretty sure that I'll like The Appendices even if the extended cut is still disappointing in other regards.

by Mrs Figg Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:05 pm

I cant fathom how an extra measly 13 minutes can justify people paying extra money. Its daylight robbery. ok the extras may be fun but you could have them in the theatrical dvd. Its blatant money grabbing. I am really quite pissed off about this when I think of all the kids that are going to spend their pennies on this stuff.
In 13 minutes I hope they concentrate on Bilbo, but will they? NO they wont, its more of the made up rubbish from what that article says. Its probably 8 minutes of Goblin King singing his boring song.

by Pettytyrant101 Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:19 pm

The scene with Elrond is ok, it only seems good in comparison to what we got at Rivendell in the theatrical cut. But they've nicked something Frodo said to the elves in th Shire and it doesnt serve Bilbo's story as well there, nor to flow as a natural bit of dialogue from the circumstances, as it does with Frodo.

Given we also already know about a young Bilbo scene at what is likely the old Tooks Party that'll be another few minutes- if the LotR' extended are anything to go by we can also 'look forward' to the troll fight and stone giant and goblin town action sequences all being longer and more stupid than before too. Evil or Very Mad

by Eldorion Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:19 pm

Did anyone here even bother buying the theatrical cut DVD? scratch

by Eldorion Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:20 pm

I'm glad we finally have the voice of crabbit in here, Petty! Very Happy

To be honest I find it hard to argue with much of what you said, but I'm still hoping that The Hobbit EE will have some enjoyable stuff, if only because my expectations have been lowered even below what they were last December. Rolling Eyes

by Mrs Figg Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:36 pm

I think I was quite crabbit too Suspect

just been reading about Odin, he reminds me of Saruman, Odin had a high throne or place where he saw everything going on, he also used Ravens or birds as spies, and had a prophecy head or palantir. He also looked like an old man with a long beard and was called the wanderer, rather reminding me of Saruman wandering Fangorn disguised.

by Pettytyrant101 Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:39 pm

I think I was quite crabbit too -Mrs Figg

You were indeed, and aimed at PJ too, set my heart a racing.

by Mrs Figg Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:45 pm

by chris63 Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:42 am

13 Mins of extra footage.

http://www.hobbitmovieforum.com/t651p195-will-the-extended-edition-make-auj-flow-better

by chris63 Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:46 am

Didn't notice the deleted scene at the bottom of the page Smile