Will the extended edition make AUJ flow better?

Ringdrotten wrote:Welcome to the forum, Radaghast

Thanks, Ring!

Mrs Figg wrote:hi Radaghast, I am figgsbane over in hobbitmovienews forum, or Bree for short. nice to see you.  

Thanks and likewise!

Fortunately Christopher Tolkien is no fan of Jackson.

Yeah, that's a mercy.

This is becoming quite the "anti-Jackson" community! And to think I once loved the man (in a respectable manner, of course).

Me too, before LotR's of course. Happy days when he made his own original stuff suited to his style and tastes, and didnt basterise other peoples work into his own image.

How someone who is supposedly adapting a book into a film can say he actively enjoys deviating from the book and for it still to be called an adaptation is beyond me.
You should be allowed to sue for this sort of thing under the Trade Description Act.

I love LOTR. and I Always will. I still admire PJ for making them.

 But the Hobbit is crap. he seems to have lost the plot.  

Ringdrotten wrote:This is becoming quite the "anti-Jackson" community! :lol:And to think I once loved the man (in a respectable manner, of course).

This forum has gone through anti-Jackson periods before.  The aftermath of the CinemaCon fiasco last spring was, I think, the first time that a majority of people on the forum were actively anti-Jackson.  Of course, a lot of those people reported back that they liked The Hobbit until the pendulum began to swing the other way again. I'm pretty sure that DOS will receive more positive reviews here than this thread might suggest.

That said, I do think that The Hobbit is a step down from LOTR (as was King Kong), and I don't think it will be remembered anywhere near as fondly as LOTR is in, say, 5-10 years.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:How someone who is supposedly adapting a book into a film can say he actively enjoys deviating from the book and for it still to be called an adaptation is beyond me.
You should be allowed to sue for this sort of thing under the Trade Description Act.

I think it's been pretty well known for at least a couple of years that PJ's claims of being a Tolkien fan prior to making the movies were drastically overstated.  It's also pretty clear that he doesn't really understand the book that well: for example, his belief that Sauron was a disembodied eyeball in the book.  However, the way The Hobbit turned out and some of his recent comments make me wonder if there was any truth at all in his early overtures to Tolkien (book) fandom.

The idea of suing him is a bit silly though.  It's well-established that film-makers can do whatever they want in an adaptation unless there are specific provisions in the contract selling the rights, which there weren't in Tolkien's case.  He famously demanded "cash or kudos" -- either creative control over any adaptation or else a large sum of money -- and he settled for receiving cash.

I think he went about calling himself a Tolkien fan originally to give himself credibility with the book's very large fan base so he'd already have a large built-in audience. It generated word of mouth from fans of Tolkien about the movies: free marketing.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:How someone who is supposedly adapting a book into a film can say he actively enjoys deviating from the book and for it still to be called an adaptation is beyond me.

What's strange to me is that people are still defending him after this.
Baffling to me is all.

Ive been wondering that since LotR's!

I've always done my best to approach the films separately in terms of their cinematic qualities and their faithfulness to Tolkien, but it feels like some people I've talked to on other sites (not trying to say everyone who has ever defended Jackson) have trouble accepting that they could have enjoyed a film which was unfaithful to the book and then try to justify in their own minds that PJ was actually being respectful of Tolkien.

The thing about AUJ is that Jackson took all the annoying bits from the previous trilogy and basically told everyone with criticisms to just deal with it; this is a franchise now and he doesn't need our support. Then he blasted the elements that got some flak before up to eleven and introduced a bunch more.

butitsanadapationioa

I do feel in the minority loving LOTR. I think it was extremely high quality film making, even after 10 years. I doubt I will ever see anything quite so beautiful again, not the way things are going.

Mrs Figg wrote:I do feel in the minority loving LOTR.

This seems a strange statement to me

Mrs Figg wrote:I do feel in the minority loving LOTR.   I think it was extremely high quality film making, even after 10 years. I doubt I will ever see anything quite so beautiful again, not the way things are going.

I still love the LotR films too, but the Hobbit has ruined a lot for me, and there are parts in the LotR trilogy that I'm hardly able to sit through. Still, in the LotR trilogy they're fewer by far than in the first Hobbit film alone That is to say, Jackson's version of the Hobbit - the edit is about as good as it gets

when I watch the sillier bits of LOTR like Lego doing his back flip or green toilet bubbles, I can have a nostalgic laugh over it, the rest of it is so wonderful I dont care about the flaws. The only bits that actually annoy me in the whole films is Faramir being a pillock and taking Frodo to Osgiliath, but I like David Watsits performance, so I can overlook it. I am never bored, I never want to fast forward, and thats over 9 hours of film, so its pretty much true that I adore all of it, flaws and all.
However the Hobbit is a much different story. Even Pettys edits couldnt make me interested in the characters or care about anything happening. I still found it tedious and boring. Maybe 90% boring and 10% quite interesting. Honestly the only bits I like are Riddles and the Erebor/Dale intro, and the Misty Mountain Song. The rest of it drags.

Mrs Figg wrote:I do feel in the minority loving LOTR.   I think it was extremely high quality film making, even after 10 years. I doubt I will ever see anything quite so beautiful again, not the way things are going.

I've criticized the LOTR films for their divergence from the books plenty in my time, but I still do really enjoy the films for what they are.  I think PJ had something to prove with LOTR, which led him to keep some of his bad habits in check (especially with FOTR).  A lot of factors came together at the right time to make LOTR the phenomenon that it was.  That didn't happen for The Hobbit, and the second trilogy has only been hurt so far by PJ's attempts to make it LOTR Lite, which just makes it feel like a lesser copy of what came before.

Mrs Figg wrote:The only bits that actually annoy me in the whole films is Faramir being a pillock and taking Frodo to Osgiliath, but I like David Watsits performance, so I can overlook it.

Have you been able to see the Extended Edition of The Two Towers?  I thought that went a long way towards saving Filmamir's character.

no I havent, umm I dont know, I may have, I am not sure. I think I have only seen the EE of ROTK.

I think part of what makes LotR so beautiful is that there wasn't the CGI available at the time, so when PJ had a mental image he wanted to put on film he had to collaborate with some very good cinematographers and camera men to figure out how it might be possible. It forced them to really understand each scene before they shot it.

That's clearly not what's happening anymore. Now they draw a sketch, film the actors on green screen, then tell the animators to make it work. That's not the way you make magic.

I recently rewatched Raiders of the Lost Ark, there's a lot less gratuitous tech. More of the storytelling is done with acting and camera angles. Crystal Skull misses that.

I remember I did a film course as part of my degree, and Raiders was hailed as brilliant editing, the other film was Citizen Kaine.

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