BEREN AND LUTHIEN (THE ADAPTATION)

Gandalfs Beard

I agree with Odo. Great Job Tinuviel . Of course I like that you incorporated a bit of my approach too 8-) . Now we'll see how Odo tweaks it :ugeek: .

Tinuviel

Thankee and go ahead and tweak it. I'd like to see what changes you'd make.
And so it begins....

Odo Banks

Thanks Tin!

But I've been thinking again (which is something someone like me should probably refrain from, but there you go!)

I've had a look at the beginning of the Chapter and at your SCENE ONE (which I still think is mighty fine), but it occurs to me that it might be useful if I do something of a precis of the chapter in point form, try to get a chronology, or sequence of events going. If we were to make a bare-bones outline, maybe then we could just then flesh out our scenes and sub-create where necessary. I'm till keen on keeping our movie as close to the book story (and sequence of action) as possible. This might end up meaning we take a scalpel to what you've done and re-position the 'bits' to where they'll fit better chronologically. :ugeek: I think you're pretty close anyway - but I just want to give it a try and see if it will help simplify the process for us. If we can agree on a basic outline, then we can return to our scene-making. (I hope you don't think I'm making a scene by suggesting this!!!??? )

I' ll do the first first pages and see how I go. Then post it here for the perusal (approval?) of everyone.

Odo Banks

Things sorting themselves out nicely. I'm keen to hear your views GB and Tin!

Odo

Odo Banks

GB and Tin, I'm a bit tied up at moment and don't know when I'll be able to get back to this, so please keep going! (Busy expanding number of Junior Teams for my Basketball Club - lots of phone calls and e-mailings!) (You've got SCENE ONE done, Tin, maybe you should try SCENE TWO?)

Back soon... Will pop in when I can. Hopefully won't be too long away...

Odo

NB Tin, I have posted my revision on the Script thread. Hope you like it. I've kept your other bits for future use! Hope you like my suggestions so far. Please feel free to keep what you did, or change what I've done if you basically like what I've done but want to improve it.

After Gorlim gets captured (SCENE TWO?), I'd like him to show the meeting with Sauron (SCENE THREE?) and use Tolkien's actual dialogue. I have written a snippet of dialogue in an earlier post somewhere, which we might use to flesh out the scene.

Anyhow, good luck. Back with this as soon as I can!

Cheers.

Tinuviel

Wow! this topic sort of dropped! I think we should pick it back up again after the hype goes down with the Hobbit Movie abit because this is a very interesting topic. Shall we promise not to forget it?

Gandalfs Beard

Odo's a little busy now with coaching, getting ready for Christmas etc.But he dropped me a line and said he'd pop back in again when things got a little less hectic and people started posting more here again. By the way, go to the Born of Hope thread and check out the link for this new fan film. You'll love it Tinuviel. And maybe it'll give you some ideas.

Tinuviel

I saw trailers for it! oh goodee! thnkee GB!

Tuor

I really hope this thread hasn't dropped off completely, I've been unable to read all the posts till now, with school and all, I can hardly ever get time to look at the hobbit news. What you guys started is great work and I can't believe how you got through ideas so well. I'm not a scene writer or storyboarder in any sense but I would try to help in any possible way, though I probably couldn't help as much as I wish I could. I'm off to get the Silmarillion from the library. I can't wait till I own it for myself. Keep up the good work.

Odo Banks

What with one thing and another, I haven't done anything with this for awhile, but I haven't forgotten it.

Last I posted here I suggested someone else might add a new bit, but as no one has risen to the bait, I thought I might at least add an idea I've had.

In regard to Beren befriending 'wild' things, maybe he could save a baby hawk (or eagle, or a thrush, or a raven, or similar) who he trains to help him spy out his enemies. He might even save a bear-cub or fox, or whatever, to sniff out the same. This would in some way address this 'befriending' business and so honor Tolkien's story hints.

These "helping" hunter-animals and their activities could be done reasonably realistically, and with only a little bit of disbelief suspension needed. I've always found this 'befriending' business intriguing. Were they his soul-mates, locker-room buddies, or just companions to ease the loneliness? Helpful hunters is an idea I think that would work. After all, Beren is up against it and all on his lonesome.

Of course, we would have to kill them off or set them free before Beren flees Dorthonion, as they would be an unnecessary intrusion later in the story.

Anyway, just a thought.

Odo

Odo Banks

Whatever it was it's gone now. Was it Greek?

Odo

Tinuviel

I"m not to sure... odd!

Tinuviel

? What was that?

Gandalfs Beard

It was some kind of Balkan Spam. The Cyrillic alphabet is based on the Greek alphabet but has numerous distinctions. It is used for many Eastern European languages, including Serbian and Russian, and also for a number of Central Asian languages of the Caucasus Region.

Tinuviel

I wanted to revisit this, because the wheels have been turning in my brain again and ideas r coming out
If we still want to go with the flashback beginning idea, I think it would be very artistic if when he saw something, such as a crow or maybe a group of _______, it reminds him of the previous events.
I'll probably write something soon, so if your confused, hoepfully u won't be. But I'm not going to let this drop because I have a lot of faith in it. We'll see wat i come up with...

Gandalfs Beard

Looking forward to it Tinuviel 8-) . I've been a bit too busy to do any heavy posting myself. But I might join back in if you or Odo get the ball rolling again

Tinuviel

For Huan, maybe he'd look like this dog. Its some kind of dog, KK are the initials of its name, that is certainly big and fearful enough to be a model of the mighty hound

* Kurdish Kangal Dog

Halfwise

I dunno. Looks kinda cuddly to me. But then, most dogs do.

Gandalfs Beard

After re-reading Beren and Luthien, and doing a little online research, I am fairly certain that Huan would have been akin to an Irish Wolfhound. They are some of the largest dogs on the planet, sometimes reaching the size of a pony. One could easily see them being ridden. Built like a Greyhound, they are very fast. And they were used not only to hunt and kill wolves, but also by the Irish to take down soldiers on horseback. Very loyal, gentle with children, yet fierce warriors.

And researching Irish dog names I found Luath as one of the Irish warrior Cu Chulainn's dogs. And I also found Cuan meaning hound or wolf. I think this clinches it. It seems to me clearly, that as a linguist Tolkien was referencing the Celtic Myths and Language in naming his "Wolfhound" Huan.

Though I am now certain that Tolkien had Irish Wolfhounds in mind when writing Huan; after some more research, I think the Kurdish Kangal Dog could fill the role as well Tinuviel. They also (along with Great Danes and Irish Wolfhounds) rank among the world's biggest and tallest dogs, and they have historically been used to guard sheep from wolves.

Odo Banks

Yep, I think we've got our hound, guys! But bigger (on steroids?)

Odo

Gandalfs Beard

Exactly

Lester Cat

I entered a Great Dane at Crufts and was immediately banned and reported to the appropriate authorities.

Gandalfs Beard

What??? Aren't Cats allowed to enter Dogs at a Dog Show?

Odo Banks

And if a Great Dane thinks he is a dog, is he really Great, or just a Great Crazy Person?

Eldorion

Maybe Lester's Great Dane was just a particularly outstanding citizen of Denmark.