UK in/out referendum on the EU (Brexit vs Bremain)

{{ Put out on Twitter by the BBC Scotlands flagship news programs Lead Reporter- }}

'We’ve bid for a @Conservatives or @ScotTories representative to come on @BBCScotNine this evening to discuss their flagship immigration policy. Asked Home Sec, Home Office Minister, Scot Sec, Under SoS, @Jackson_Carlaw or any Scottish MP or MSP. Not one of them can/will do it.'

Johnson is still avoiding the flood victims. The lazy, feckless, coward. Now he has got their votes he doesn't give a toss.

{{ The Scottish Parliament has again refused to ratify the Withdrawal Bill-

'MSPs voted by 90 to 28 to say that parliament "agrees not to consent" to the UK legislation as it "constrains the competence of the Scottish Parliament and breaches international law". Only the Conservatives voted against the motion.'

Not that it matters, last time the Parliament did this the courts decided they couldnt look at it, and Westminster can do what it pleases as essentially the Sewel Convention that stated that any legislation which cuts across devolved areas should have the consent of all the devolved parliaments, is not worth the paper its written on. Just a load of false promises and lies.

'the last time MSPs voted to refuse consent - over the EU Withdrawal Act - the Supreme Court ruled that while Sewel was important, it was a convention only, and could not be policed by the court.
Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has already indicated that the UK government will press ahead with the legislation even without devolved consent.'- BBC News

So doesnt matter a fuck what we vote for, doesnt matter if it breaks every promise made to us at the last referndum, doesnt matter what we or who we vote for, all that matters is Westminister can do as it pleases and railroad anything over the top of it all. Thats the only thing Scots are noticing here, the lies and the false promises and ignoring us completely on anything of substance. If Boris is trying to break up the UK he couldnt be doing a better job of it I'll give him that.}}

I'll give you that one Petty. Only disagreement is that this is not at all what was sold to any of us, regardless of which part of the UK we live in nor the EU with whom the treaty was negotiated.

That is why I did not vote for the Tories last time around and will not be the next time I get the chance. They seem to be following their own agenda on this and are using an incorrect "will of the people" argument to force it through any barrier they come up against for this Brexit bullshit.

{{ So Cummings has gone. God knows whats actually going on but the hard Brexit leave with no deal squad have been essentially purged from Downing Street. Exactly what sparked it seems more rumour at moment than fact, but some sort of falling out between Cummings and Boris fiancee seems to be in the mix. And her role in influencing Boris also seems to be a topic in Westminster.
However the sight of Cummings leaving No10 with his cardboard box in hand was not an accident. The more interesting question about that now famous photo is who staged it? Did Boris force him to go by the front door in front of the press carrying his stuff in a box to humilate him? Or did Cummings choose to go via the front door to make some sort of point? Because the only thing for certain is he didnt have to leave that way, there at least three other exits from there for when the PM wants to avoid the press.
And of course the big question what does it mean for Brexit? We are already well, well passed Boris' deadline for when a deal had to be struck and we're down to a month and half till we walk out the door with no deal in sight.
Does Biden and his loyalties to Ireland come into play regards a trade deal with the US?
Will the EU blink on fishing and the level playing field or does Boris?
And what happens in ireland if there is no deal? A hard border?
Next few weeks will decide it I reckon. }}

I think its timing, it all went pear shaped for Johnson when Biden got in, and he realised Scummings would try to stop any deal with the EU. Johnson will probably come up with a cobbled together deal at the last minute. The front door stuff was just a last act of arrogance.

{{ Another stitch up by Boris and cronies. Pritti Patel, the Home Sec was found guilty of bullying civil servants in breach of the ministerial code- which normally means an automatic resignation or sacking- the report was conducted by the independent body which overseas the Ministerial code, headed by Sir Alex Allen. But Boris overruled it and backed her, prompting Sir Alex to resign instead.

'In his findings, Sir Alex said Ms Patel "has not consistently met the high standards required by the ministerial code of treating her civil servants with consideration and respect"
The head of the civil servants' union FDA Dave Penman said: "What is the point of the investigation if actually what we're saying is it doesn't matter what evidence has been found, it doesn't matter what the PM's own adviser on the ministerial code says, if it's politically convenient for the PM to ignore it, he will ignore it."
Sir Alex Allan's report examined Ms Patel's behaviour at three different government departments - the Home Office, Work and Pensions and International Development.
Labour has called for his report to be published in full...The prime minister's spokesman said it wouldn't be "right or proper" to publish all the documents.'- BBC

Anyone else found guilty of bullying people in their workplace would be sacked, but not if your Boris' golden girl, and how can it be 'right and proper' to not publish the evidence? Unless of course you dont want anyone to see the evidence. }}

Not really surprised, the pair of them have no dignity, principles or humility.

When is the next election? It needs to hurry up.

looks like it is a no deal then, going from Johnson's infantile response, the EU "punishing" the UK.
What a cretin he is.

{{ He's in Brussels now, which I think actually shows how desperate for a deal he is- he knows how bad will be if we dont get one with our closest and largest trading partner. I think either yet another talks extension, or a cobbled together last minute deal is likely. }}

Do you think he really wants one? I think the ERG will be on his back trying to force him to go with no deal.

{{{ Boris was a remainer right up till political expediency and he saw that being a leaver was going to get him more party and support and apath to being PM.
Seems the talks tonight didnt go great, with BBC reporting that both sides remain far apart, but negotiators will keep going and an announcement will be made on liklihood of a deal on Sunday.
Boris said however he did "not want to leave any route to a possible deal untested".
Boris is many things but stupid isnt one of them, thats where his likness to Trump ends, he is a career politician who has always wanted to be PM. He knows the damage and political fallout that will come with a No Deal Brexit.
His biggest problem is that his rhetoric to this point might have boxed him in so anything he concedes will look like capitulation to those he convinced Brexit was a good idea. }}

I think he is fundamentally stupid, lazy and cowardly, but he is cunning which makes sure he wins a lot. I think he is a fake intellectual who has relied on cleverer people to get him over the line. Unfortunately his cabinet are even more thick, apart from Gove and he is far more dangerous because he is actually clever.

{{ Well todays was the day, the very last possible date a deal could be done or the UK walks on No Deal WTO terms. And the result of todays talks?
Theyve decided to keep talking!
Again.

We leave on dec 31st and before then the EU countries have to ratify any deal, and we still dont have a deal, or even know if it will be no deal.
Facts are neither side wants a no deal and both sides are boxed in by their own members in trying to get one- France wont accept no fishing access, Germany wont accept unfair business competition, and Boris's backbenchers wont accept any compromise on either of those issues. But both leaders know not getting a deal hurts both sides.
So here we are, despretely thrahing about at the last minute trying to get something that doesnt look like either side caved in. }}

A no deal is sheer madness, its beyond belief. Its squeaky bum time.

{{ According to Michael Barnier there is "just a few hours left" to strike a deal (again), though amusingly the BBC story reporting that was posted, yup you guessed it, a few hours ago! }}

Who is going to blink first? I doubt it will be Barnier.

{{ Well the few hours has become a 'critical 48 hour period to decide'! Seems everything is pretty much agreed for a deal save fisheries.
UK says it will take back control of all its waters immediately on Jan 1st and kick all the other countries out of them, the EU wants a longer phased transition and to retain some access.
What it boils down to is the UK has most of the fishing grounds, but the EU has the market where all the fish is sold. }}

British people don't eat the fish they catch in British waters anyway, its all sold to Europe. The British eat imported cod. Its barking mad.

{{ The farce rolls on.The 'few hours' to decide that became the 'critical 48 hours to decide' is now 'likely to be a decision before Christmas'.
Given every country in the EU has to ratify any deal and it all has to be done before we leave on 1st january this is a mess.}}

This is the worst government of any I can think of in terms of sheer incompetence and idiocy. The way the boneheads have dealt with brexit is almost as bad as the way they are dealing with the pandemic, its an utter disgrace. How much longer are people going to allow these fools to control the country.

Depends on how many people over there think Boris is a hero the way they do with Trump over here.

{{ Well polling has shown a drop in support since the election-

'In the 12 months since the 2019 general election, Boris Johnson has seen his party’s poll lead drop from double-digits to level-pegging with Labour.
The latest polls show both the Conservatives and Labour in a statistical tie of around 37% to 39%.
No other prime minister in recent history has seen a poll lead fall so steeply over such a short period of time.'

' a new report has found that 42% of those who voted Tory in the 2019 election - but did not back the party in 2017 - no longer intend to do so.'

YouGov/Times (4th/5th Nov) – CON 35%(-3), LAB 40%(+2), LDEM 7%(+1)
Opinium/Observer (5th/6th Nov) – CON 38%(nc), LAB 42%(+2), LDEM 7%(+1)
Survation (5th/6th Nov) – CON 39%(-2), LAB 37%(nc), LDEM 9%(+2) }}

{{ Brexit deal is expected to be announced some point on xmas eve. Now this doesnt suprise me as Ive said since the very start in the end Boris would get a deal as he knows the damage a no deal would do, andif he really didnt want one he could have walked away from negotations half a dozen times by now- but the question still remains if he can get it by his own brexiteers in his party. It will be intresting to see how it goes down once we know the detail- but expect UK compromises on fishing and the level playing field and for folk like Farage to appear back out the woodwork to complain about it and say its not true Brexit. }}