Doctor Who [9]
+13
The Archet Bugle
Ringdrotten
Eldorion
Bluebottle
bungobaggins
Mrs Figg
Tinuviel
Forest Shepherd
Orwell
malickfan
Amarië
David H
azriel
17 posters
Page 31 of 40
Page 31 of 40 • 
1 ... 17 ... 30, 31, 32 ... 35 ... 40
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by azriel Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:55 pm
- Spoiler:
- I liked the bit where they all were saying about Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlett etc & the Dr said about dancing with Sylvia Anderson
_________________
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. It's the job that's never started as takes longest to finish.”
"There are far, far, better things ahead than any we can leave behind"
If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you always got
![Doctor Who [9] - Page 31 Th_cat%20blink_zpsesmrb2cl](https://2img.net/h/i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y474/azriel59/th_cat%20blink_zpsesmrb2cl.gif)
![Doctor Who [9] - Page 31 Jean-b11](https://i.servimg.com/u/f65/17/86/44/91/th/jean-b11.jpg)
azriel- Grumpy cat, rub my tummy, hear me purr
- Posts : 15707
Join date : 2012-10-07
Age : 64
Location : in a galaxy, far,far away, deep in my own imagination.
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Bluebottle Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:26 pm
Pettytyrant101 wrote:Yes it is, but, crabbit must also have justification.
- Spoiler:
And in this case I dont think there is. The script is obviously aware of all this and plays it accordingly. 12 would no more willingly be general of earth than he would Missy's cyber army.
He is told he is the President after the fact, but he doesnt actually issue a single order, he does however mock the General they have assigned to him and his words on the General saluting him sums ups 12's views perfectly on the matter "Don't do that. You're going to give yourself a concussion. Actually that explains all of military history now that I think about it."
And then of course there is the entire conversation at the end with Missy which relates directly to this very question.
- Spoiler:
- Oh, but my criticism is general. In my opinion they have made the Doctor too important. He is the saviour of earth, the most powerful being in the Universe, etc. It all gets rather dull.
Whether it is being made President of Earth or holding off the combined armies of the Universe for 1000 years. That's just not the character as I see him. He's just not a general, or a military man. That's not his competence, but it's repeatedly the role Moffat forces him into. Defeating his enemies by force. He is after all the most powerful being in the Universe, scaring them with just a mention of his name.
My favourite earth invasion episode is probably Horror of Fang Rock. Where the Doctor inadvertently comes across the problem, saves no one and scares the aliens away by fooling them into thinking earth has more advanced technology than it has.
This whole the Doctor as a celbrity thing in nuwho just doesn't grab me.. sorry.
Now specifically for this episode, while you have a point, I don't really agree with you. When the Doctor is brought back from the sedation he quickly accepts his role, starts contemplating solutions and so on. In other words he acts in the capacity of the role he is given. In effect, he mocks the general, but takes command.
And he is a bad choice for that role. The episode adresses it, but it still happens. And it ties into a trend.
_________________
“We're doomed,” he says, casually. “There's no question about that. But it's OK to be doomed because then you can just enjoy your life."
![Doctor Who [9] - Page 31 Tumblr_msgi12FPjq1s8au6qo2_500](https://33.media.tumblr.com/de58a4b1ea8094e414d274be9532e12d/tumblr_msgi12FPjq1s8au6qo2_500.gif)
Bluebottle- Concerned citizen
- Posts : 10100
Join date : 2013-11-09
Age : 38
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:36 pm
- Spoiler:
- UNIT were useless, why did they sedate him if they were making him ruler of the world the next minute? why did Oswin meekly fall for the oldest trick in the book? why didnt those guards see Missy get out of the cuffs? why do the Cybermen actually do nothing very Dangerous apart from attack the plane when all the Others were just moping about in fields? Why did they try to con us into thinking Clara is the Doctor? they even used her eyes in the opening sequence? Why is Danny and the Brigadier the only Cybermen in history who can defy the Killing instinct? Why would Missy give the Doctor an army and open herself to being attacked, and why does she just stand around looking roly eyed instead of doing something Masterish? the upshot is telling the Doctor a big fat porky which makes him throw his toys out the Tardis and totally ignore Claras pain. it was depressing and downbeat.
Mrs Figg- Eel Wrangler from Bree
- Posts : 25960
Join date : 2011-10-06
Age : 94
Location : Holding The Door
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Bluebottle Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:57 pm
I'm not going to answer that. They are Moffats plot holes, not mine. 
{{{
}}}
{{{
}}}_________________
“We're doomed,” he says, casually. “There's no question about that. But it's OK to be doomed because then you can just enjoy your life."
Bluebottle- Concerned citizen
- Posts : 10100
Join date : 2013-11-09
Age : 38
its Swiss cheese.
Mrs Figg- Eel Wrangler from Bree
- Posts : 25960
Join date : 2011-10-06
Age : 94
Location : Holding The Door
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Amarië Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:01 pm
- Spoiler:
- I am trying to find something to say here, but I feel mainly indifferent to the whole thing. At least we have learned that the people of Earth will speak in one voice on two ocations: 1. To kill the moon dragon, and 2. make the Doctor President of the World. What was the plane called? Bird One? Just were I'd want to be when battling an immense amount of flying Cybermen.
Is it a homage to Martha spreading the word all over the world and save Gollum!Doctor from the Master, or is a "I can do it better than you and MY hero chick doesn't even get sweaty doing it. She has to be saved in the end, but no matter".
Pink having killed a civilian or more was obvious from day one. I was hoping for something.... more. Pink becoming the inside man was very predictable. At least Missy was well played.
_________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
One does not simply woke into Mordor.
-Mrs Figg
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth."
-Marcus Aurelius
#amarieco
One does not simply woke into Mordor.
-Mrs Figg
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth."
-Marcus Aurelius
#amarieco
Amarië- Dark Planet Ambassador
- Posts : 5434
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 43
Location : The Dark Planet Embassy, Main str. Needlehole.
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:04 pm
Blue-
Figg-
- Spoiler:
- the Doctor as saviour thing was somethng RTd contionued form the set up in the 7th Doctor era.
Moffat has addressed it a few times and favours the idea of the 'madman in a box' over the 'oncoming storm' legend. So Im not sure it holds up as a crit of Moffat.
I mean the whole moment the Doctor realises he lists all the thing she is not- a good man, a bad man, an officer, a hero then concludes with what he is as Moffat sees him, an idiot with a box and a screwdriver, turning u, helping out, learning.
If thats not the Doctor I dont know what is.
Figg-
- Spoiler:
- UNIT were useless, why did they sedate him if they were making him ruler of the world the next minute?
UNIT are often useless, they continually got their arses kicked in RTD era. The reason they sedated him is in the dialogue from Kate she tells him 'your complicity is required, your unreliability proven." They sedate him because he would never accept being put in charge if they asked him.
'why did Oswin meekly fall for the oldest trick in the book?'
She didnt have anyway of knowing that the guards were compromised so what was there to fear. The Mater was already lose anyway so it wouldnt have made any difference to the outcome.
'why didnt those guards see Missy get out of the cuffs?'
They are under Missy's hypnosis. In classic Who the Masters greatest skill was his hypnotic abilities through his telepathy. If you note they dont react to anything at all, they are totally blank and expressionless through out- even when she shoots them.
'why do the Cybermen actually do nothing very Dangerous apart from attack the plane when all the Others were just moping about in fields?'
The ones in the graves are just the dead turned into cybermen- but without minds, those are being downloaded into them form the Nethersphere- but until all the minds are back in bodies they are just mindless machines.
'Why did they try to con us into thinking Clara is the Doctor?'
Clara was trying to con the cyberman into thinking it so they wouldn't kill her. Her eyes were in the credits so the viewer would be uncertain if it was a bluff or not.
'Why is Danny and the Brigadier the only Cybermen in history who can defy the Killing instinct? '
They arent its happened before, most recently in Closing Time. But in Danny's case to start with he never deleted his emotions so the inhibitor is not activated.
As for the Brig- because he is the Brigadier- it shouldn't be any other way to honour the man.
'Why would Missy give the Doctor an army and open herself to being attacked, and why does she just stand around looking roly eyed instead of doing something Masterish?'
She gives him an army because she want him to be more like her. And her plan is very Masterish, it wasnt for Danny the Doctors choices would be accept the 'gift' or let them destroy earth.
'the upshot is telling the Doctor a big fat porky which makes him throw his toys out the Tardis and totally ignore Claras pain.'
She tells the Doctor a lie to hurt him and cause him pain because she enjoys doing that, same reason the Master has always screwed with the Doctor.
Nor does he ignore Clara's pain- he assumes Danny used the bracelet to return, as Clara is wearing it, and that she is going to tell him she wants to stop traveling she can be with Danny-- so he tells her the lie that he found Gallifrey to make it easier for her.
And she lies to him about Danny so he doesn't feel obliged to her and can finally go home.
They are both lying to each other to protect each other.
All of this is in the episode, sometimes I wonder how closely you actually watch an episode!
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46837
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 53
Location : Scotshobbitland
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Amarië Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:10 pm
- Spoiler:
- OH! I did like that they didn't make a fuss about the gender thing. And at the end just chatting on about becoming king or queen. Reminded me a bit of 9 and Jack. Just... acceptance, sort of.
_________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
One does not simply woke into Mordor.
-Mrs Figg
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth."
-Marcus Aurelius
#amarieco
One does not simply woke into Mordor.
-Mrs Figg
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth."
-Marcus Aurelius
#amarieco
Amarië- Dark Planet Ambassador
- Posts : 5434
Join date : 2011-06-10
Age : 43
Location : The Dark Planet Embassy, Main str. Needlehole.
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:04 am
A few Questions/thoughts about Series 8 and possible casting spoiler for Xmas
- Spoiler:
I don't have much to add about the finale, merely that it was OK i suppose...
Loved Capaldi's reaction when Gallifrey was still missing, they could do with giving him a few more emotional outburts like that...
Why were the Robots all series trying to Reach the promised land? Don't you have to be dead to get to the Nether-spear anyway how would they hear about it?
So now the Brigadier resurrected against his will is flying around as a Cyberman, encased in Metal slowly rotting from the inside out as one of the Aliens he had dedicated his life to destroying...what a fitting perfectly sensible ending
still, would make a more interesting spin off than the Pasternaster Gang...
Were the Cybermen in the Graveyard supposed to stand around doing nothing?
Osgood was killed off...good! I liked the character, but it's about time the show brought a bit more of a threat back
According to IMDB Clara is back at Xmas, evidently she is The Imposssible (to get rid of) Girl...
_________________
The Thorin: An Unexpected Rewrite December 2012 (I was on the money apparently)
The Tauriel: Desolation of Canon December 2013 (Accurate again!)
The Sod-it! : Battling my Indifference December 2014 (You know what they say, third time's the charm)
Well, that was worth the wait wasn't it
I think what comes out of a pig's rear end is more akin to what Peejers has given us-Azriel 20/9/2014
malickfan- Adventurer
- Posts : 4989
Join date : 2013-09-10
Age : 32
Location : The (Hamp)shire, England
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:05 am
Pettytyrant101 wrote:Blue-
- Spoiler:
Moffat has addressed it a few times and favours the idea of the 'madman in a box' over the 'oncoming storm' legend. So Im not sure it holds up as a crit of Moffat.
I mean the whole moment the Doctor realises he lists all the thing she is not- a good man, a bad man, an officer, a hero then concludes with what he is as Moffat sees him, an idiot with a box and a screwdriver, turning u, helping out, learning.
If thats not the Doctor I dont know what is.
Figg-
- Spoiler:
UNIT are often useless, they continually got their arses kicked in RTD era. The reason they sedated him is in the dialogue from Kate she tells him 'your complicity is required, your unreliability proven." They sedate him because he would never accept being put in charge if they asked him.
'why did Oswin meekly fall for the oldest trick in the book?'
She didnt have anyway of knowing that the guards were compromised so what was there to fear. The Mater was already lose anyway so it wouldnt have made any difference to the outcome.
'why didnt those guards see Missy get out of the cuffs?'
They are under Missy's hypnosis. In classic Who the Masters greatest skill was his hypnotic abilities through his telepathy. If you note they dont react to anything at all, they are totally blank and expressionless through out- even when she shoots them.
'why do the Cybermen actually do nothing very Dangerous apart from attack the plane when all the Others were just moping about in fields?'
The ones in the graves are just the dead turned into cybermen- but without minds, those are being downloaded into them form the Nethersphere- but until all the minds are back in bodies they are just mindless machines.
'Why did they try to con us into thinking Clara is the Doctor?'
Clara was trying to con the cyberman into thinking it so they wouldn't kill her. Her eyes were in the credits so the viewer would be uncertain if it was a bluff or not.
'Why is Danny and the Brigadier the only Cybermen in history who can defy the Killing instinct? '
They arent its happened before, most recently in Closing Time. But in Danny's case to start with he never deleted his emotions so the inhibitor is not activated.
As for the Brig- because he is the Brigadier- it shouldn't be any other way to honour the man.
'Why would Missy give the Doctor an army and open herself to being attacked, and why does she just stand around looking roly eyed instead of doing something Masterish?'
She gives him an army because she want him to be more like her. And her plan is very Masterish, it wasnt for Danny the Doctors choices would be accept the 'gift' or let them destroy earth.
'the upshot is telling the Doctor a big fat porky which makes him throw his toys out the Tardis and totally ignore Claras pain.'
She tells the Doctor a lie to hurt him and cause him pain because she enjoys doing that, same reason the Master has always screwed with the Doctor.
Nor does he ignore Clara's pain- he assumes Danny used the bracelet to return, as Clara is wearing it, and that she is going to tell him she wants to stop traveling she can be with Danny-- so he tells her the lie that he found Gallifrey to make it easier for her.
And she lies to him about Danny so he doesn't feel obliged to her and can finally go home.
They are both lying to each other to protect each other.
All of this is in the episode, sometimes I wonder how closely you actually watch an episode!
I watch it as closely you can do, glazed over with boredom.
- Spoiler:
- if they are both lying, why did Clara say that the Doctor was the only man she wouldnt lie to? it doesnt add up. or are they just making it up as they go along? It would have been fab if Clara had turned out to be The Doctor all along, she is more effective than him most of the time. She actually gets to sacrifice things for the Greater good, he just ums and ars and gives off soundbites when he wants to look noble. Danny saves humanity, Clara loses everything, The Doctor just gets to play god, throw a tantrum, and slough off an assistant when he cant bear the damage he has done.
Mrs Figg- Eel Wrangler from Bree
- Posts : 25960
Join date : 2011-10-06
Age : 94
Location : Holding The Door
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:13 am
Malick-
- Spoiler:
- Why were the Robots all series trying to Reach the promised land?
There were only two sets- the ones in Deep Breath and the ones in Robot of Sherwood, presumably they all had minds.
Traditionally cybermen need your body too, but as Missy was separating minds from body and putting minds back into bodies later that doesn't count here. And robot means you dont need to worry about emotions.
Pure speculation on my part but I like to think the robot minds were the original 91 cybermen Missy had hidden in St Pauls.
Also with the Clockwork robots the Doctor does say that they have replaced their parts over and over with organic ones to the point where they are more human than robot.
'So now the Brigadier resurrected against his will is flying around as a Cyberman'
I assumed he self destructed afterwards same as the rest and so freed himself from eternal death.
'Were the Cybermen in the Graveyard supposed to stand around doing nothing?'
See my reply to Figg above- this is explained in the episode.
'According to IMDB Clara is back at Xmas'
I thought that was rather obvious from the post credit set up for the xmas episode.
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46837
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 53
Location : Scotshobbitland
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:14 am
Mrs Figg wrote: glazed over with boredom.
Are you referring to the episode or Samuel Anderson's acting?
- Spoiler:
- I almost cheered when he died, as bad as that sounds, he's possibly the most boring character in New Who...
_________________
The Thorin: An Unexpected Rewrite December 2012 (I was on the money apparently)
The Tauriel: Desolation of Canon December 2013 (Accurate again!)
The Sod-it! : Battling my Indifference December 2014 (You know what they say, third time's the charm)
Well, that was worth the wait wasn't it
I think what comes out of a pig's rear end is more akin to what Peejers has given us-Azriel 20/9/2014
malickfan- Adventurer
- Posts : 4989
Join date : 2013-09-10
Age : 32
Location : The (Hamp)shire, England
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:16 am
Pettytyrant101 wrote:
I thought that was rather obvious from the post credit set up for the xmas episode.
_________________
The Thorin: An Unexpected Rewrite December 2012 (I was on the money apparently)
The Tauriel: Desolation of Canon December 2013 (Accurate again!)
The Sod-it! : Battling my Indifference December 2014 (You know what they say, third time's the charm)
Well, that was worth the wait wasn't it
I think what comes out of a pig's rear end is more akin to what Peejers has given us-Azriel 20/9/2014
malickfan- Adventurer
- Posts : 4989
Join date : 2013-09-10
Age : 32
Location : The (Hamp)shire, England
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:20 am
Figg- I watch it as closely you can do, glazed over with boredom.
Malick - I quite like Clara, especially this series, but I would like to see 12 on his own for an adventure or two. There is still a strong possibility Clara might not be in series 9, nothing is confirmed and who knows, maybe Moffat will go for a tear jerker for xmas.
- Spoiler:
- Given you seem to have hated every single episode bar one for the last four years Id have stopped watching by now if I were you.
'why did Clara say that the Doctor was the only man she wouldnt lie to?'
She was lying, sh had already lied to him before when she said it, she thought she as talking to a normal cybeman who wanted info about the Doctors whereabouts.
When she first meets cyber Danny she says as part of her Doctor bluff that she is an excellent liar. Lying, and her lying in particular has been a strong theme all series.
'it would have been fab if Clara had turned out to be The Doctor all along'
I find that an incredible statement from someone who has crapped all over Clara for two years now.
'the Doctor just gets to play god, throw a tantrum, and slough off an assistant when he cant bear the damage he has done.t
Are you sure you watched the episode? When does he play God? He turns down the opportunity to do so when Missy gives him it.
He doesnt slough of an assistant because he cant bear the damage- he thinks she is happy and has got Danny back and is going to live happily ever after and he is leaving to allow them to do that.
Malick - I quite like Clara, especially this series, but I would like to see 12 on his own for an adventure or two. There is still a strong possibility Clara might not be in series 9, nothing is confirmed and who knows, maybe Moffat will go for a tear jerker for xmas.
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46837
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 53
Location : Scotshobbitland
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:25 am
Pettytyrant101 wrote:
Malick I would like to see 12 on his own for an adventure or twoI did think some of the gaps/off screen adventures he seems to be having would play into the final, but it seems he's already been exploring by himself a bit...Big Finish have some very big gaps already...That said I think Capaldi (with is darker, more intense Doctor) is probably too early in his tenure to starring alone. There is still a strong possibility Clara might not be in series 9Hopefully. Moffat is confirmed for S9 as well as Capaldi, but I think Moff will be stepping down sooner rather than Later..., nothing is confirmed and who knows, maybe Moffat will go for a tear jerker for xmas.
_________________
The Thorin: An Unexpected Rewrite December 2012 (I was on the money apparently)
The Tauriel: Desolation of Canon December 2013 (Accurate again!)
The Sod-it! : Battling my Indifference December 2014 (You know what they say, third time's the charm)
Well, that was worth the wait wasn't it
I think what comes out of a pig's rear end is more akin to what Peejers has given us-Azriel 20/9/2014
malickfan- Adventurer
- Posts : 4989
Join date : 2013-09-10
Age : 32
Location : The (Hamp)shire, England
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:26 am
malickfan wrote:Mrs Figg wrote: glazed over with boredom.
Are you referring to the episode or Samuel Anderson's acting?
- Spoiler:
- Spoiler:
- nooooooo I loved Danny Pink! I like Samuels naturalistic acting, I wanted the Writers to give him more, but they ruined it. He could have been really cool, I thought he might have been a time traveller or the Brother of Blue, or intertwined with Claras timeline more, just something more than convenient plot device to kill off anyway.
Mrs Figg- Eel Wrangler from Bree
- Posts : 25960
Join date : 2011-10-06
Age : 94
Location : Holding The Door
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:32 am
Mrs Figg wrote:
- Spoiler:
_________________
The Thorin: An Unexpected Rewrite December 2012 (I was on the money apparently)
The Tauriel: Desolation of Canon December 2013 (Accurate again!)
The Sod-it! : Battling my Indifference December 2014 (You know what they say, third time's the charm)
Well, that was worth the wait wasn't it
I think what comes out of a pig's rear end is more akin to what Peejers has given us-Azriel 20/9/2014
malickfan- Adventurer
- Posts : 4989
Join date : 2013-09-10
Age : 32
Location : The (Hamp)shire, England
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:35 am
Im not sure how long Moffat will stay in the job for. Given he has taken Who to an unprecedented level over his tenure in terms of reach, popularity and success and got mainly shit from people for doing so I would understand if he felt he had enough.
But he might be tempted to stay two more series, and leave at the end of the significant 10th series since the revival. And I am a big fan of his writing and his take on Who so I would be very sad to see him go.
I hope he doesnt because right now I dont see a replacement. Gatiss I am not a big fan of his episodes in general. Jamie Maitheson has been getting banded about by fans, but he has only written two episodes (good ones though) which seems not enough of a track record to me. And I dont see any other names of note worth considering.
But he might be tempted to stay two more series, and leave at the end of the significant 10th series since the revival. And I am a big fan of his writing and his take on Who so I would be very sad to see him go.
I hope he doesnt because right now I dont see a replacement. Gatiss I am not a big fan of his episodes in general. Jamie Maitheson has been getting banded about by fans, but he has only written two episodes (good ones though) which seems not enough of a track record to me. And I dont see any other names of note worth considering.
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46837
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 53
Location : Scotshobbitland
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:38 am
I cant imagine there is a shortage of talent out there.
Mrs Figg- Eel Wrangler from Bree
- Posts : 25960
Join date : 2011-10-06
Age : 94
Location : Holding The Door
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:40 am
Its not just raw talent- they need to understand and know the show, and ideally have written for it in some form (BF or whatever) and they should also ideally have some experience at being a showrunner- which Moffat had twice before he took on the job not including Sherlock. Its a complex role and a lot of work and commitment is required.
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46837
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 53
Location : Scotshobbitland
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:45 am
I agree on Mark Gatiss 
, of the current crop of Who writers the only one with consistent quality, good reception in the fanbase and showrunning experience seems to be Toby Whithouse, I'd be happy enough if he took it on, but I'd actually quite like to see an entirely new writing team come onboard after Moffat steps down (preferably someone without an overpowering love of the series, personally I think Davies and Moffat sometimes got a bit self indulgent int he series, and forgot they were writing for a general audience not just hardcore fans) to freshen up the show a bit, on Classic Who alot of the writers came from dramatic backgrounds with only limited exposure to the show, it could backfire, but fresh blood is always worth experimenting on.
Of course we have got Peter Jackson's long rumoured epiode(s?) to look forward to...
, of the current crop of Who writers the only one with consistent quality, good reception in the fanbase and showrunning experience seems to be Toby Whithouse, I'd be happy enough if he took it on, but I'd actually quite like to see an entirely new writing team come onboard after Moffat steps down (preferably someone without an overpowering love of the series, personally I think Davies and Moffat sometimes got a bit self indulgent int he series, and forgot they were writing for a general audience not just hardcore fans) to freshen up the show a bit, on Classic Who alot of the writers came from dramatic backgrounds with only limited exposure to the show, it could backfire, but fresh blood is always worth experimenting on.Of course we have got Peter Jackson's long rumoured epiode(s?) to look forward to...
_________________
The Thorin: An Unexpected Rewrite December 2012 (I was on the money apparently)
The Tauriel: Desolation of Canon December 2013 (Accurate again!)
The Sod-it! : Battling my Indifference December 2014 (You know what they say, third time's the charm)
Well, that was worth the wait wasn't it
I think what comes out of a pig's rear end is more akin to what Peejers has given us-Azriel 20/9/2014
malickfan- Adventurer
- Posts : 4989
Join date : 2013-09-10
Age : 32
Location : The (Hamp)shire, England
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:59 am
Im not sold on Whithouse either. Looking at his episodes I only thought two of them were above average- The God Complex and Vampires of Venice. School reunion has nice stuff with Sarah Jane in it but the plots awful, and whilst I enjoyed A Town Called Mercy it doesnt exactly stand out as an all time classic just a solid decent episode.
Compare that to Moffats track record in Who before taking over- Empty Child/Doctor Dances, Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead- all of them hugely well received and considered among the best episode of their respective series. Regardless of what anyone thinks of him now, at the time he was a clear and favourite fan choice. There is no such clear choice now.
I am not opposed to fresh blood, but then if you look at the writers Moffat has brought in during his run they are quite a diverse lot, from Neil Gaiman to Richard Curtis is a pretty wide breadth of style.
Compare that to Moffats track record in Who before taking over- Empty Child/Doctor Dances, Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead- all of them hugely well received and considered among the best episode of their respective series. Regardless of what anyone thinks of him now, at the time he was a clear and favourite fan choice. There is no such clear choice now.
I am not opposed to fresh blood, but then if you look at the writers Moffat has brought in during his run they are quite a diverse lot, from Neil Gaiman to Richard Curtis is a pretty wide breadth of style.
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46837
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 53
Location : Scotshobbitland
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:32 am
Out of curiousty here is the list of Moffats Who writers and what they are noted for outside of Who in tv and film-
Mark Gatiss- actor, writer- League of Gentleman, Sherlock
Toby Whithouse- writer, stand up comedian- created Being Human and No Angels, written episodes for Hotel babylon.
Simon Nye- comedy writer- Men Behaving Badly, Reggie Perrin, Just William
Chris Chibnall- playwright, screen writer- cocreator of Life on Mars, head writer on Torchwood.
Richard Curtis- writer, director- Not the Nine O clock News, co-writer on Blackadder series 2-4, Vicar of Dibley, Four Weddings and a Funeral
Gareth Roberts- screen writer, novelist- Brookside, Eastenders, Emmerdale, collabrator on the Fast Show, cowriter Swiss Tony.
Stephen Thompson- writer- The Whistleblower, Silk, three episodes of Sherlock, Upstairs Downstairs.
Neil Gaiman- novelist, writer- too many comics and books to mention!
Matthew Graham- writer- cocreator Life on Mars, wrote episodes for Byker Grove, Eastenders, Spools, Hustle
Tom MacRae- novelist, writer- creator Threesome, wrote episodes for Lewis, Bonekickers, Casuality
Neil Cross- writer- creator of Luther, Crossbones.
Phil Ford- writer- written episodes of Taggart, Coronation Street, Bad Girls, The Bill, Waterloo Road, Footballers Wives, New Captain Scarlett
Peter Harness- playwright, writer- Wallander, City of Vice
Jamie Mathieson- writer, comedian- FAQ About Time Travel, Becoming Human, Dirk Gently
Frank Cottrell Boyce- writer, novelist- A Womens Guide to adultery, 24 hour party people, A cock and bull story, Framed.
Mark Gatiss- actor, writer- League of Gentleman, Sherlock
Toby Whithouse- writer, stand up comedian- created Being Human and No Angels, written episodes for Hotel babylon.
Simon Nye- comedy writer- Men Behaving Badly, Reggie Perrin, Just William
Chris Chibnall- playwright, screen writer- cocreator of Life on Mars, head writer on Torchwood.
Richard Curtis- writer, director- Not the Nine O clock News, co-writer on Blackadder series 2-4, Vicar of Dibley, Four Weddings and a Funeral
Gareth Roberts- screen writer, novelist- Brookside, Eastenders, Emmerdale, collabrator on the Fast Show, cowriter Swiss Tony.
Stephen Thompson- writer- The Whistleblower, Silk, three episodes of Sherlock, Upstairs Downstairs.
Neil Gaiman- novelist, writer- too many comics and books to mention!
Matthew Graham- writer- cocreator Life on Mars, wrote episodes for Byker Grove, Eastenders, Spools, Hustle
Tom MacRae- novelist, writer- creator Threesome, wrote episodes for Lewis, Bonekickers, Casuality
Neil Cross- writer- creator of Luther, Crossbones.
Phil Ford- writer- written episodes of Taggart, Coronation Street, Bad Girls, The Bill, Waterloo Road, Footballers Wives, New Captain Scarlett
Peter Harness- playwright, writer- Wallander, City of Vice
Jamie Mathieson- writer, comedian- FAQ About Time Travel, Becoming Human, Dirk Gently
Frank Cottrell Boyce- writer, novelist- A Womens Guide to adultery, 24 hour party people, A cock and bull story, Framed.
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46837
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 53
Location : Scotshobbitland
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Forest Shepherd Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:43 am
Oh my goodness!
I just finished Death in Heaven.
First Simon Pegg, and now
I just finished Death in Heaven.
- Spoiler:
- My main objection to the episode was that the Master (or... Mistress? erm... OK make that two main objections) didn't have enough time to develop well enough. Sure, she was sufficiently evil and scary, but I wanted more!
Handing off her army to the Doctor was too easy for him.
It worked that she was trying to make him more like her, I understood that, but I didn't understand what she expected him to do about the rain-clouds over earth. Unless she figured that he couldn't stop the clouds and the human population would certainly die, leaving him with another destroyed-race mentality that would hopefully return him to his Tennant slaying-of-the-Rachnos mode or something as he tried to "correct" history.
Well, I mean why, if Cyber-Pink could command the Cybermen to go blow themselves up in the clouds, could the Doctor not also give them the same command?
First Simon Pegg, and now
- Spoiler:
- Nick Frost
_________________
"The earth was rushing past like a river or a sea below him. Trees and water, and green grass, hurried away beneath. A great roar of wild animals rose as they rushed over the Zoological Gardens, mixed with a chattering of monkeys and a screaming of birds; but it died away in a moment behind them. And now there was nothing but the roofs of houses, sweeping along like a great torrent of stones and rocks. Chimney-pots fell, and tiles flew from the roofs..."
Forest Shepherd- The Honorable Lord Gets-Banned-a-lot of Forumshire
- Posts : 5632
Join date : 2013-11-02
Age : 33
Location : Minnesota
Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:55 am
but I wanted more!- Forest
- Spoiler:
- Always leave 'em wanting more!
'I didn't understand what she expected him to do about the rain-clouds over earth'
I dont think it mattered to her. That he begins using the cyberman to 'right wrongs' was her aim, in the belief that once he starts he wont stop- "Give a good man fire power and he will never run out of people to kill."
Without Danny there his only choice to save earth would be to take control of the cybermen. Refuse and everyone dies. He could have just then ordered them to blow themselves up, but Missy is betting that once given the power to put right all those wrongs he wont be able to give it up. Which in turn goes to the heart of her belief, and her need, to see herself and the Doctor has one and the same sort. And all series long 12 has been uncertain whether thats true or not.
Really looking forward to seeing Nick Frost in the xmas episode.
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46837
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 53
Location : Scotshobbitland
Page 31 of 40 • 1 ... 17 ... 30, 31, 32 ... 35 ... 40
Page 31 of 40
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum