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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Forest Shepherd Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:45 am
What's with this "Sherlock and Watson."
Call them "John and Sherlock" or "Watson and Holmes."
Call them "John and Sherlock" or "Watson and Holmes."
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:51 pm
I think the Doctor and Clara just alone together should be strong enough without the need for 3 extra characters bolstering the plot.
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:41 pm
I dont see how thats any different from the cast of characters from UNIT that were the 'to go to regulars' in Classic.
And Rose's mum and Mickey served the exact same purpose in the RTD run too. Look how often RTD era touched base with them and went back to present day London. It felt like every other week, or every week sometimes.
The Paternost Gang have had four appearances in comparison.
And Rose's mum and Mickey served the exact same purpose in the RTD run too. Look how often RTD era touched base with them and went back to present day London. It felt like every other week, or every week sometimes.
The Paternost Gang have had four appearances in comparison.
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:47 pm
Roses family were part of Roses story arc, integral to her growth as a person. Not just plonked in for pop culture references.
Anyway I am looking forward to tonights new episode, I hope it is just the Doctor and Clara developing their friendship or whatever it is. I think I am going to like Capaldi.
Anyway I am looking forward to tonights new episode, I hope it is just the Doctor and Clara developing their friendship or whatever it is. I think I am going to like Capaldi.
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:28 pm
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- oh dear that was stale and a bit predictable. The only part that felt fresh was the great Mr Pink. I am really interested in seeing more of him. The Doctor himself felt a bit laboured. Clara was great again. liking her a lot.
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by azriel Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:54 pm
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- This is just me thinking out loud but, does it feel laboured because this new Dr has so much to live up to being that Matt & David were younger previous Drs that had flare, wit, charm & oozed something bordering on sexy ? Im liking Clara a lot more these days & I really DO like Capaldi's take on this latest Dr, I like his snap decisions that only he has thought up in his head & he sticks to them, quietly, no discussion, in doing so is taking the blame if it goes belly up. He's still wrestling with himself & finding his place in the world. Im liking this series so far I liked he used the Daleks to analyze his own soul & I liked that this story delved more into (literally) the mind set/ framework of the beasty, & you know, once you name something you get an attachment to it, & the Dr did call the Dalek Rusty, Did part of this all go back to when the Dr lost his native world ? was he trying to ease his own guilts ? or try to find redemption if only slightly ?
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:59 pm
- My thoughts on 'Into the Dalek'-Spoilers:
- Really enjoyed Into the Dalek, lots of great dialogue, nice pace, Danny Pink seems intriguing, the Clara/12 pairing seems very promising and I'm loving the Snarky more withdrawn Doctor Capaldi is giving us (got bored with the manic gurning 10/11, the 'Classic Who' doctors didn't need to draw attention to themselves to act Alien), two eps in and I'm already banking on him becoming my fave of New Who. Reminded me of Eccleston's 'Dalek'-that ep ends up with Rose/The Dalek comparing The Doctor to a killing machine, here we are 1200 years later in his timeline, and it seems he hasn't chnaged all that much, really liked 12 questioning himself, seems he's going to struggle to change things. The Daleks seemed threatening for the first time in years, and overall it was quite a frsh story to use them in.
BUT...it was, again, flawed, though for opposite reasons to Deep Breath.
In contrast to the first Ep, it seemed a bit rushed, whilst the story was pretty simple (if you can call it a story that is-I did enjoy it alot, but the story basically served to pose more questions about the Doctor, not answer any in great detail, the Daleks have been done before so many times I think it lost it's impact a little) I think another 15 minutes wouldn't have gone amiss (the ending seemed a bit sudden, hell the whole ep moved a little quickly for me-could have done from more of the Dalek/Soldiers reasons, everyone got over the Doctor essentially setting the soldier up to be killed pretty quickly, and it seemed a rather awkward gut from Coal Hill to the spaceship) and they could have developed one or two of the soldiers a bit more (there's what 20 killed? We only gets lines from two or three)-none of the soldiers seemed 'real' in any sense, 'Blue's decision to travel with the Doctor seemed kinda random as well, it certainly wouldn't have justified a two parter, but in the end it felt sorta unfinished. Doctor Who is one of the few shows I watch, where each story can merit a totally different runtime.
Any one else get a Star Wars vibe from it?
All in all a fun, very enjoyable episode, that doesn't do anything that new, but does what it does rather well, with some great set pieces and intriguing questions thrown in for good measure. Just a shame it wasn't longer, or more memorable for such a concept.
7/10.
Seemed more like a 'Classic Who' ep as well for some reason, which can only be a good thing i.mo.
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:11 pm
I think it's natural Doctor Who (and it's title character) would be feeling a bit labored by this point (though to what degree, if of course personal opinion), the new show in old by British TV standards, the franchise on the whole Ancient, I guess there isn't that much you can do with overused villains, a 45 minute time slot and audience/management standards to meet. Hell, if anyone think's they can do better, by all means send in your ideas (shame PJ isn't susceptible...)
As for the Doctor-Capaldi is 56, a massive fan of the Older series and an actor with a vast back catalogue, in some ways a more muted take on the character would make sense from his perspective. I guess, he hasn't got as much to prove in some ways, he was cast to break the mould and write to his strengths, another manic over energetic 'friendly doctor' would be rather stale i.m.o. I always related to the more restrained, yet arrogant/darker aspects of the Doctor than his eccentric outwardly alien aspects anyway-why Hartnell is my fave, he never acted that Alien but stilll feels it, and he seemed to care if people liked him that much. Capalid seems both restrained and distant, yet totally grabs my attention as a viewer, so I guess he's suceeding so far.
I guess after hating hiself for 1200 years for causing a genocide that never actually happened, then fighting in a 900 year long war on Trenzalore he's be a bit shaken up, I get the sense they are trying to show the character finding himself again (in some ways he is, the first in a new cycle, he's trying to find his home planet and place in the universe-all the prior Doctors would running from it).
As for the Doctor-Capaldi is 56, a massive fan of the Older series and an actor with a vast back catalogue, in some ways a more muted take on the character would make sense from his perspective. I guess, he hasn't got as much to prove in some ways, he was cast to break the mould and write to his strengths, another manic over energetic 'friendly doctor' would be rather stale i.m.o. I always related to the more restrained, yet arrogant/darker aspects of the Doctor than his eccentric outwardly alien aspects anyway-why Hartnell is my fave, he never acted that Alien but stilll feels it, and he seemed to care if people liked him that much. Capalid seems both restrained and distant, yet totally grabs my attention as a viewer, so I guess he's suceeding so far.
I guess after hating hiself for 1200 years for causing a genocide that never actually happened, then fighting in a 900 year long war on Trenzalore he's be a bit shaken up, I get the sense they are trying to show the character finding himself again (in some ways he is, the first in a new cycle, he's trying to find his home planet and place in the universe-all the prior Doctors would running from it).
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:13 pm
Mrs Figg wrote:
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One positive so far...a definite improvement!
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:43 pm
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- it was more his delivery (acting) that felt laboured to me, not the concept itself. I didnt engage and I didnt care, I found him a bit of a letdown from episode one. He also seemed a bit useless, leaving it all up to Clara. I still dont understand exactly what she was doing crawling through some pipes. I also thought it was a bit hypocritical of the Doctor to deny Blue the chance to go with them because she was a soldier. After the Doctor has acted like a soldier throughout the episode, saying things like only civilians cry and getting a soldier killed for expediency/battle tactics/whatever, it just seemed a bit rich considering he has the heart full of hate like the worlds most efficient soldier killer, a Dalek. I thought the Whole episode was derivative and boring. Apart from Clara and Pink.
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this from the Telegraph review, same thing I noticed.
''Eccentricity is part and parcel of the Doctor, of course, but at the moment Capaldi’s character tics and verbal delivery seem just a tiny bit forced – as if he’s over-determined to establish the new personality, which is understandable. But Capaldi is such a fine actor, these should soon blend seamlessly into the Time Lord’s endearing character''.
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:15 pm
(Click on the spoiler bit to see my thoughts interspersed with you post)
Mrs Figg wrote:
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this from the Telegraph review, same thing I noticed.
''Eccentricity is part and parcel of the Doctor, of course, but at the moment Capaldi’s character tics and verbal delivery seem just a tiny bit forced – as if he’s over-determined to establish the new personalityhe's such a nerd of the series, he's probably nervous...or miscast possibly (Mcoy was, and I'm asing that on 20 seconds I've seen), which is understandable. But Capaldi is such a fine actorI don't think I've seen any complaints about his acting per se, more the way he acts does that make sense?, these should soon blend seamlessly into the Time Lord’s endearing character''.Again, I kinda agree, but Capaldi is frankly so different in his approach to acting compared to the prior two doctors, It's going to take a while for the writers to find there feet-if they find them...that's actually my main concern with Capaldi-his casting ends up being a gimmick, I'd hate for him to end up being A clone of 10/11 just with an old face, he was cast for a reason hopefully I'd just like to hope Moffat has the faifth and skill to give the tools to craft his own take on the character
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:31 pm
- More thoughts on Into the Dalek-Spoilers, and a reconsidered viewpoint:
- Actually, thinking back on it, the 'plot' didn't make alot of sense (so the only good Dalek is a broken one, fixing it changes it's morality and the doctor acts all surprised?) and the ep does seem from a distance a bit of a contrived excuse to get the doctor to question his morals.
Still, like Deep Breath overall it's decent enough in my book-if only for the ideas and questions it poses, though I'd have to admit they really should come second to a decent plot.
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Petty what say you?
Thinking about what you said about Capaldi Figgs...he's a cold calucating dick with few redeeming features so far...and I really like it! Does that make me weird/ignorant of the issues you brought up, or does it make Capaldi a more striking take on the character.?
I still really enjoyed it though. I just wish Doctor Who went back to Logic over 'Wow look at that!', Classic Who was flawed but it did a good job at justifying it's name...
Oh well Big Finish will get the rights and some point and fix the mess...
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:37 pm
malickfan wrote:(Click on the spoiler bit to see my thoughts interspersed with you post)Mrs Figg wrote:
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I personally found Russel Davies much more deriartive, and most of his characters annoying (certainly not boring though) though I'd agree there was just something about his approach we seemed...more likeable in some ways. The whole Fantastic Voyage in a Dalek was a bit gimmicky anyway...Though I think it would have made a great Big Finish Audio.
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''Eccentricity is part and parcel of the Doctor, of course, but at the moment Capaldi’s character tics and verbal delivery seem just a tiny bit forced – as if he’s over-determined to establish the new personalityhe's such a nerd of the series, he's probably nervous...or miscast possibly (Mcoy was, and I'm asing that on 20 seconds I've seen), which is understandable. But Capaldi is such a fine actorI don't think I've seen any complaints about his acting per se, more the way he acts does that make sense?, these should soon blend seamlessly into the Time Lord’s endearing character''.Again, I kinda agree, but Capaldi is frankly so different in his approach to acting compared to the prior two doctors, It's going to take a while for the writers to find there feet-if they find them...that's actually my main concern with Capaldi-his casting ends up being a gimmick, I'd hate for him to end up being A clone of 10/11 just with an old face, he was cast for a reason hopefully I'd just like to hope Moffat has the faifth and skill to give the tools to craft his own take on the character
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:56 pm
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I think it was the verbal delivery, he seemed unnatural, a bit actor-y, fair enough, I think it's just going to take his time to find his feet, actually on relection I can see where you are coming from, he does seem more easier to read when he's bouncing off another actor. I actually think he gave a better performance in Deep Breath. I hope the rumours about Chris Addison joining as companion are true-he had great chemistry with Capaldi in The Thick of It, and actually seems a pretty decent actor for a stand up comedian.
Yeah Eccleston nailed it straight off the bat, but I liked Tennant tooI did like Tennant alot, as I grew up with him, but after watching back some of his stuff recently it seemed a bit, well cheesy to me, very of it's time, all the other doctors felt kinda timeless to me, but Tennant comes across as too human/grounded, got kinda boring...he was at his best in the Darker moments (Waters of Mars, Midnight) though that seems the same of all the doctors
I like John Hurt, great performance but I didn't see much point in the War DoctorI'm not very familiar with Mcgann's audios but from the snippets I've seen 8 just doesn't seem like he has in in him to commit genocide, makes it more tragic I guess, building it up so long only for him to fail at it. I thought the War Doctor was a great idea, I like the fact that he was stuck fighting a war we don't see for his entire existence (the doctor should remain a little mysterious), it seemed to be tribute of sorts to earlier anniversaries (grumpier older doctor dissapointed/out of place with his successors) and Hurt gave off a very classical vibe, in anycase it was one hell of cliff hanger in NOTD and provided alot of publicty for the special, it was pretty cool seeing such a big movie star in a pokey little sci fi show. Each to their own I guess. It's a shame they probably won't do much with him in expanded media
yeah bloody boring my socks off too, RA is a one noteseriously what do people see that I'm not??? I'm convinced people on TORn like him because he's 'tragic and brave with nice hair'.
woah! steady on! I wouldnt go that far
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:10 pm
Apparently in the leaked unfinished version, there is a different ending
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- Rusty goes back to the Dalek ship and blows himself up somehow taking the fleet with him...
Not sure if that would have been better or worse
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:16 pm
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- Thing is when capaldi asked 'am I a good man?' that didnt feel right somehow. He is a good man, it seems a bit angsty for the sake of it. Maybe its all part of the reajustment period. Its like they are retconning a heart of darkness to suit the new Doctors style rather than the heart of darkness coming from the story. if you get my drift.
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by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:20 pm
malickfan wrote:Apparently in the leaked unfinished version, there is a different ending
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- probably worse, I liked Rusty
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by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:26 pm
Mrs Figg wrote:Thing is when capaldi asked 'am I a good man?' that didnt feel right somehow. He is a good man, it seems a bit angsty just picturing Capaldi in Twilight now for the sake of it. Maybe its all part of the reajustment period. Its like they are retconning a heart of darkness to suit the new Doctors style rather than the heart of darkness coming from the story. if you get my drift.
That's a good point Moffat effectively reversed the character arc of the New Series with DOTD, you'd think he'd be a bit more cheerful, I don't get the sense he's acting bad per se, merely questioning how far he will push himself, it kinda reminds me of Series 2, most of the series seemed like his was written with Eccleston in mind (I still think it woul have worked better with him actually), Tennant didn't have his own style till ep 6 or 7 imo.
Either that or he's The Valeyard
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:15 am
My thoughts on Into the Dalek
Making of the episode-
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- Daleks, they are a tricky bunch. Contractually obliged to bung them in once a year or lose them what do you with them every time? Tinpot psycho's who simply hate everything? You cant just have them invade somewhere and get defeated every time, but invading somewhere and getting defeated is largely what Daleks do.
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Since RTD first ran into this problem we have had various way of coming at the Dalek thing from a new angle, and the prevailing answer seems to be focus on one Dalek, not lots of them. And so for this episode we have Rusty the Dalek.![Doctor Who [9] - Page 6 Vlcsnap-2014-08-31-01h56m47s220_zpsbc762a8c](https://2img.net/h/i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/pettytyrant101/vlcsnap-2014-08-31-01h56m47s220_zpsbc762a8c.png)
Rusty is not a well Dalek at all. Captured by the rebels, and having turned good after witnessing the futilely of Dalek logic when confronted by the sight of the birth of a new star, its also wounded and in need of a Doctor.
I think 12 might need to work on his bed side manner however.
We got to see a bit more of this Doctors modus operandi this episode, its logical, but boy is it cold.
That poor solider, already doomed for firing grapples into the Dalek, whom the Doctor gives a device to swallow disguised as something that might save his life as the Dalek antibodies swarm around him with the words “Trust me”, only for the soldier to find himself painfully reduced to his component parts and poured down a tube and the device was just to track where his remains go, where with even more callousness and lack of understanding the Doctor quips “Yes, he's the top layer if you want to say a few words" rather epitomises the ruthlessly practical streak about this Doctor.
This Doctor doesn't really understand human grief, he is very distant from it.
We are shown this from the off when he cannot understand why Journey, the person he has rescued is more concerned with grieving for her dead brother than being happy she is alive-
Doctor- “I materialised the time capsule exactly around you and saved your life one second before your ship exploded, but do please keep crying.”
Journey- “My brother just died.”
Doctor- “His sister didn't, you're very welcome.”
He is not big on sentiment 12. And is noticeably less human than his NuWho predecessors.
So back to the plot- what does a Doctor who doesn't know if he is a good man or not do when confronted with the task of healing a Dalek that has gone good?
Yup he goes and gets Clara from a classroom cupboard and asks her the question. Unfortunately she doesn't know the answer to that one any more either, so the only thing to do is go and find out. Is he a good man?
There is some babble to explain the shrinking machine, but its Fantastic Journey territory here but with a more interesting patient and it doesn't need much explanation-
“Do you use it to shrink the surgeons so they can work inside a patient?”
“Exactly.”
“Fantastic idea for a movie. Terrible idea for a proctologist.”
So into the Dalek we go, with some almost surreal imagery as they cross into the Dalek from Wheatons direction, in his second Who directing job following last weeks opener.![Doctor Who [9] - Page 6 Vlcsnap-2014-08-31-01h57m41s250_zps9e4f1101](https://2img.net/h/i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/pettytyrant101/vlcsnap-2014-08-31-01h57m41s250_zps9e4f1101.png)
His dark, horror style is well suited to this episode. And he wreathes his Daleks in smoke, fire and laser blasts with competent effectiveness.![Doctor Who [9] - Page 6 Vlcsnap-2014-08-31-01h58m44s112_zps70cb8251](https://2img.net/h/i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/pettytyrant101/vlcsnap-2014-08-31-01h58m44s112_zps70cb8251.png)
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So following a fatal mishap with the grapples the Doctor soon discovers that Rusty the Dalek is not good, he is ill, having its conciousness expanded by a radiation leak. Unfortunately, fixing the leak fixes the illness, and the Dalek immediately suppresses all its warm fuzzy feelings and resorts to type- a killing machine. Quickly escapes and starts laying waste to the crew of the ship.
It was nice to see a Dalek actually back to mercifully slaughtering again, they have been a bit tame in recent years not really killing enough people on screen, here the body count was noticeably higher.
I also liked that the Dalek gun now seem to have acquired a rapid fire mode, making them considerably more threatening as they trundle relentlessly towards you.
So curing the Dalek made it evil again, and that's the lesson for the day for the Doctor, whilst again he seems to have rather callously forgotten all the dead people-
“I gave it a shot, it didn't work out. It was a Dalek, what did you expect?”
To the Doctor Daleks are irredeemably evil the worst thing in creation as he once said. Today's lesson is that is true, move on.
Which gets him a real solid slap from Clara who has a different lesson to learn from events, “A Dalek can be good.” Worth thinking about that. And the Doctor does.
With Clara providing the human angle on the problem the Doctor comes up with a plan, well half a plan, well some of half a plan to turn the Dalek good again and send it back to spread the good about among the rest.
Clara is dispatched to reawaken its suppressed memories, confronting the Dalek with its suppressed memories of the beauty of creation, whilst the Doctor tries to give the Dalek his sense of the wonders and beauty of the universe.![Doctor Who [9] - Page 6 Vlcsnap-2014-08-31-02h01m22s135_zps5cbcb8e7](https://2img.net/h/i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/pettytyrant101/vlcsnap-2014-08-31-02h01m22s135_zps5cbcb8e7.png)
Unfortunately by tapping into the Doctor Rusty soon discovers not only the sense of wonder and beauty the Doctor posses from the universe, but also his deep dark pit of hate forDaleks.
Which is much more appealing to ole Rusty.![Doctor Who [9] - Page 6 Vlcsnap-2014-08-31-02h01m58s255_zps166f970e](https://2img.net/h/i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/pettytyrant101/vlcsnap-2014-08-31-02h01m58s255_zps166f970e.png)
Confronting the Dalek with the essential question he as been confronting himself with, “Am I a good Man,” the Dalek answers by seizing on the Doctors hatred and going on a killing rampage of its own kind. Inadvertently saving the day as it does so.
So not a very comforting answer for the Doctor.
Doctor- “You looked inside me and saw hatred. That's not victory. Victory would have been a good Dalek.”
Dalek -“I am not a good Dalek. You are a good Dalek.”
This is a spin on the 9th Doctor Dalek episode where the Daelk in it tells 9 that he would make a good Dalek.
So this Doctor cant turn a Dalek good, but he is perfectly happy to settle for sending one that wants to destroy its own kind right back to them- I wonder if this will eventually lead to a return to the Dalek factions of classic Who.
I really should talk about Clara, has her regen continues apace in this episode. We get more of her everyday school life, and we are introduced to a new character, exsoldier turned teacher Danny Pink.
Clara continued to use her brains in this one, firstly being the moral compass and pointing out to the Doctor how his hatred was clouding his thinking. And the by coming up with the means to reactivate the Daleks suppressed memory banks through electrical charges, using her own body.
So another good Clara episode, long may that continue.
And the story arc popped back in, but in a fairly unobtrusive way, almost reminiscent of an RTD story arc- what is Missy up to, collecting people whose lives are ended by the callousness of the Doctor perhaps?
So overall thoughts are this was an interesting take on the Dalek story without being earth shattering. The story was well paced, I thought the 45 minutes flew in on this one. And it had some more interesting layers to peel back on the new Doctor.
But there is no doubt some might have difficulty getting used to this classic Who style Doctor, more alien than human, who is simply a lot less warm, welcoming and cosy than 10, 11 or even 9.
Making of the episode-
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Pettytyrant101 Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:18 am
Saw this on Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/2f113q/doctor_who_8x02_into_the_dalek_postepisode/ck4vxp2?context=3
Petty what say you?- Malick
http://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/2f113q/doctor_who_8x02_into_the_dalek_postepisode/ck4vxp2?context=3
Petty what say you?- Malick
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That I get very crabbit with people who make complaints based on their own very lazy watching of the episode. Here's my response to their points-
All the characters were inexplicably idiots! - rather broad, and doesnt fit the facts. Some of them were quite clever.
Why didn't they take the daleks gun away?- why would they know how too? Daleks are not easy to disarm by design.
Why didn't the doctor warn them about the antibodies before going inside?- He has never been inside a Dalek before. I got the impression he worked it out as it was happening.
Did they have any kind of mission briefing before shrinking themselves and heading into the dalek? - yes, the mission was to heal the wounded Dalek, so the rebels could use the Dalek on their side. They had no way to know that the injury was in fact what was causing the Dalek change in consciousness.
How have these rebels been fighting daleks all this time with weapons that appear to be completely ineffective against daleks? - they are not ineffective, they are as effective as you could hope for a hand gun verus a Dalek, they blow two up in the big fight. Its just hard to do, as is fitting when trying to shoot an armoured tank.
And on that note, what are they rebelling against? If they're fighting daleks surely that's just a war, unless they're like freelance dalek hunters or something, which would again bring up the question of how they can be so fucking bad at their jobs.- they are rebels, probably from a group the Daleks conquered, just as there are rebels and underground movements in countless other Dalek stories. Daleks use slaves, rebelions and uprising are often tried.
And what the fuck was up with the Doctor denying that soldier girl at the end because she's a soldier? - we dont know, that is obviously a plot point yet to be resolved.
Brigadier Alistair Gordon Lethbridge Stewart is the Doctor's oldest and arguably best friend, and he was also A FUCKING SOLDIER! Where has this sudden hate for soldiers just randomly appeared from?- Its not random, 10 also had strong dislike of the military 11 wasnt too keen either. Three liked the brigadier, but was always calling him names and disparaging him for his 'military thinking'.
Seems to me like it was just to tie in a single fucking line to Clara's new boyfriend story line, which I would qualify as piss poor writing. - I would say it ties into being something yet to be explored, which is good writing in fact.
This person is, to use a Scots slang, a balloon. I wish folk would at least take the time to pay attention to what is in the actual episodes before complaining about them
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by Pettytyrant101 Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:48 am
In response to Figgs comments-
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- 'He also seemed a bit useless, leaving it all up to Clara.'
Blimey you are hard to please- you complained- wrongly in my view- that Amy never did enough, now you are complaining Clara is getting too much to do.
'I still dont understand exactly what she was doing crawling through some pipes'
She was reactivating the Daleks suppressed memories.
'I also thought it was a bit hypocritical of the Doctor to deny Blue the chance to go with them because she was a soldier. After the Doctor has acted like a soldier throughout the episode'
I rather feel that was the point.
'I thought the Whole episode was derivative and boring.'
Derivative of what exactly?
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:54 am
Pettytyrant101 wrote:In response to Figgs comments-
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Blimey you are hard to please- you complained- wrongly in my view- that Amy never did enough, now you are complaining Clara is getting too much to do.
No. I am complaining the Doctor was useless. Talked the talk, couldnt walk the walk
'I still dont understand exactly what she was doing crawling through some pipes'
She was reactivating the Daleks suppressed memories.
How exactly? she just crawled through pipes. I can crawl through pipes but I dont reactivate the Daleks suppressed memories, I just get dusty.
'I also thought it was a bit hypocritical of the Doctor to deny Blue the chance to go with them because she was a soldier. After the Doctor has acted like a soldier throughout the episode'
What? He was being hypocritical?
I rather feel that was the point.
'I thought the Whole episode was derivative and boring.'
list coming up
We have seen mini-me shrinking thing at least once recently, with the mini-me guys in the Amybot telling her what to do or whatever.
We have seen crazy Dalek goes gaga and have a special relationship with the Doctor before.
We have seen the Doctor pitch up in military installation and take over without much fuss a million times before.
We have seen lone soldier girl as hero with special relationship with the Doctor before she either gets killed or rejected before.
We have seen journey to the centre of lots of things, like Tardis, or whatever, it just means a lot of running down corridors.
We have seen Doctor getting all 'Am I good/bad/indifferent/destroyer/saviour/god schtick forever. He needs to make up his mind.
Derivative of what exactly?
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by Pettytyrant101 Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:12 pm
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- 'No. I am complaining the Doctor was useless. Talked the talk, couldnt walk the walk'- Figg
Apart from him coming up with all the ideas you mean? He saved them from the antibodies, he saved the Dalek, and he came up with final plan, even if it didn't work exactly as planned.
'How exactly? she just crawled through pipes.'
She fell against one of the suppressed memory banks and the electrical charge from her body reactivated, she then worked out, as it was modelled on a brain that electrical impulses fired the memories. All of which is explained visually and in the dialogue.
'What? He was being hypocritical? '
I didnt say he wasnt being hypocritical. But the Doctor, from 5 onwards has never much liked the military.
'We have seen mini-me shrinking thing at least once recently, with the mini-me guys in the Amybot telling her what to do or whatever.'
Twice in fact, classic episode The Enemy Within, and inside the Tessalector- so twice shrinking someone has been used in 50 years of episodes. Hardly overkill.
'We have seen crazy Dalek goes gaga and have a special relationship with the Doctor before.'
We have never had a good Dalek before. And I cant think of any Dalek that has a special relationship with the Doctor, the one in Dalek had a relationship with Rose however, maybe you are confusing it with that.
'We have seen the Doctor pitch up in military installation and take over without much fuss a million times before.'
Yes we have, since Who began in fact, its rather what he does. Although this was a classic base under siege set up, the last of those we had was Cold War, a series ago, and I think classic Who was the last before then. So again, hardly overkill.
'We have seen lone soldier girl as hero with special relationship with the Doctor before she either gets killed or rejected before.'
We have? I cant think of an example, could you provide one?
'We have seen journey to the centre of lots of things, like Tardis, or whatever, it just means a lot of running down corridors.'
Not lots, twice. This and Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS, but they were about entirely different things and not similar in story at all.
'We have seen Doctor getting all 'Am I good/bad/indifferent/destroyer/saviour/god schtick forever. He needs to make up his mind.'
For me this episode was a valid way to explore who this incarnation of the Doctor is. And for my money the most interesting thing the Dalek says when it can see into the Doctors mind is not that he hates Daleks, that is not a surprise, but that the Dalek sees Divinity.
Given Missy and her 'welcome to heaven' scenario religion seems to be playing a part in this one.
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Re: Doctor Who [9]
by Mrs Figg Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:38 pm
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- regards the lone girl soldier, theres one who gets killed after Amy is freed from the incubator thing. She befriends Amy, fights the headless monks, and gets killed. if memory serves
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by Pettytyrant101 Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:56 pm
She didnt have a relationship with the Doctor though, he didnt even know who she was.
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